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The Arrow - A Sneak Peek at our new wing project.

Wayne

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For a while I have been thinking about a replacement for the good ol' Zupair Z-1 that so many folks loved.

Recently I reached out to @vanquish to see if he might be interested in helping out with a new project. He was! I then reached out to VP to see if they would be interested in the project, and they were, so now we had a green light. In my mind this model must be vacuum bagged like the Z-1 and no one does better than VP with bagging!! Works of bagged art.

In no time at all Mario worked his magic and we had a new design! He knew the design limits and basic size and ran with it from there. (This is not Mario's first wing design.) I thought the vacuum bagged construction might cause issues for Mario, but he instantly understood what he could and could not do. I figured maybe I'd hear back from Mario in a few months.. or longer. I think it was just a few days later and he had the design fleshed out a with all of the calculations completed. Wow!

We have had great fun on this design and uniting these 3 individuals onto this single project. I think we are all very much enjoying this.

Here is a rendering of the original pure glider design.
Screenshot 2025-03-04 at 3.57.54 PM.webp

It will be getting the VP carbon D-box treatment like all of their models.

After discussing radio gear and wing joiner placement, etc. it was decided to offer a fuselage pod for lower AUW and or electric motor in the nose. Mario then whipped this concept out:
Screenshot 2025-03-04 at 3.37.36 PM.webp


The CG is at the rear tip of the pod.

After seeing this in the carbon, I'm really thinking we need to invest in molds. I was originally thinking we would make the pod a seperate kit and it would either be a wood hybrid construction, or sturdy 3D print, but dang... (VP does super nice carbon layup fuselages!)

I did promise VP it would not use a composite pod, but thinking he may like this too.

Mario designed her to be an all rounder. It will be able to thermal efficiently but also carry good energy on the slope. When in thermal the flaps and elevons will have some reflex for optimal slow flight performance, and drop them down for strong acceleration. The planform allows the flaps to be fully functional as if on a tailed aircraft. I'm sure Mario has more to share on my very short summary.

Wing halves pull apart for easy transportation, and winglets screw on with nylon bolts making her very transport/shipping friendly.

Mario refers to this planform as an "arrow" and had been calling the project AH-Arrow. Seems like a pretty good name to me.

Let me know what you think.
 
Love it. I thought it was fine in the first shot but really liking that fuselage now. Breaking in two is wonderful. Thats the one really hard thing with the Z1 is its size when transporting combined with it being delicate.
 
Yes, true flaps, functions like a normal flapped model.

Fuselage pod is still a question mark. Prototype moving forward.
 
Having flaps or anything to help lose some energy on landing will be nice. That the one tough thing with the z1 is to remember to land before it gets too windy. Even up around 12mph it can be tough at places like sunset to lose enough speed to safely land.
 
Absolutely love it and can’t wait to get my hands on one. Any thoughts on making the two halves connect via magnets? Works great on my Jester wings, but the Arrow could place the magnets on the roots instead of the end of the joiner (so a composite joiner could be used)
 
That is the same thoughts I have. For slope we are not worried about weight, so skip the nose and add the lead. But for thermal hunting, those pilots will see some gains in a lower AUW, so the fuselage moment upfront should allow the AUW to be lower as long as the center pod does not weigh too much.

Magnets is a good idea. Certainly better than tape. My biggest concern with building without the center pod will be getting enough room for battery and ballast without taking out all of the structural foam in the nose area. This will have to wait an see once we have the first prototype. We will play with some ideas.

Wiring will be a bit different with battery on both sides. Curious if these might fit:
 
Very interesting and reminds me of the Klingberg KW100 back in the day. He made use of a sliding battery tray to adjust the CG in the air. The KW100 also used pivoting winglets which could only pivot outwards, which increased yaw stability.
 
Nope, that is a very different target. We have some other ships for that.
Having recently been involved in another flying wing project, I am interested in what exactly the new Arrow is designed for.

Obviously, the design has specific objectives.

You know me. I'm going for high-performance sports: Max speed, max soaring ability, and max aerobatics.:cool:

This is a really interesting new project, but what is it for?

Cheers,

Doc.
 
OK, the plain wing is nice looking and clean, but just looks like a big Boomerang to me! Now the wing with the Pod
is what really grabbed my attention!!! I am not too fond of winglets either.

Tom
 
OK, the plain wing is nice looking and clean, but just looks like a big Boomerang to me! Now the wing with the Pod
is what really grabbed my attention!!! I am not too fond of winglets either.

Tom
The POD fuselage actually helps the isobars to be bunched in the mid-wing area, which is exactly what you want in a flying wing.

Winglets are not a good idea unless you get over 6M span.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
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