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Aeroic Models new factory, new construction methods and new models. What do you get when you choose an Aeroic model?

Doc J

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Hi Guys,

First, a big thanks to all of you for your support over the years; you guys are the reason I do what I do because believe me it’s not the money!

OK so what’s been happening?

Well, since moving into the huge new factory late last year, we have been doing a whole bunch of new development at Aeroic, here in my studio in Taiwan and then transferred to the China Factory, or directly in China. We have new electric model versions of the older Sessanta, Forza and Corsa and also the new Spada GoFast 3M model available now.
So, what do you get when you choose an Aeroic model now? The models and the processes used to make them have changed a lot and I think it’s time to make the new improvements known to the most important people – you guys!
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OK so what have we done? I’ll go through the improvements one by one.

Company Test pilot:
We have been lucky enough to recruit actual Test Pilot Red Jensen as the company model tester. Vastly experienced, and running flight testing at NASA Armstrong, Red is a professional in assessing aviation performance and is already providing really detailed feedback on the Spada Gofast 3M model. Red will get one or more of each of our new models to test. So, if you see him hooning one of the Aeroic test models around on the slope, he might even let you have a stir on the sticks, you never know!

Overall model presentation:
Many of the old moulds have been gradually replaced since we moved into the huge new factory and a lot of the small moulding niggles have now been eliminated. That means that the fit and finish on all of the models has improved significantly over that of previous years. You get a smoother, shiner and more accurately assembling model. The painting crispness has also improved quite a bit with the purchase of a new mask plotter and a dedicated automobile level painting system.

Wings:
Compared to other companies’ models, I think our wings are now the most ‘different’ components of the new models.
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New foam system:

We are now using a special cross linked DMI foam. This has millions of holes in it that allow tiny amounts of resin to connect top and bottom surfaces thus forming “micro-pillar links to help give even better strength at a tiny weight penalty.

Debulking process:

The original excess resin removal (debulking) process has been further improved to remove far more excess resin than before, giving really ideal and stable resin to fabric ratios. This results in much lighter components all through the model, but particularly the flying surfaces. We are getting close to the ideal minimum 60:40 (epoxy/fabric) ratio now.

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Note the excess resin seeping into the towel absorber.

Hinging:

A new method of hinging - still using Kevlar though that might change - has been instituted which involves changing the parting method between the control surface (Aileron/flap/elevator/rudder) and the main panel. The previous process could make unwanted incursions into the Kevlar fibre arrangement and weaken the hinge. The new process does not do this.

Sub spars:

Now made en-masse with machine-cut vertical layers of UD carbon sandwiched on 5mm PMI foam cores. Lighter stronger, more accurate.
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Sine wave spar:

Now improved to be even lighter but with the same strength. So light in fact, that the SS version of all models now feature a DOUBLE Sine Wave Spar. That, ladies and gentlemen is BOMB PROOF.
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Carbon tissue:

This is an ultra-thin/ultra-light carbon layer that we now use as a skin for tailplanes or as an “L” model wing skin. You get a very light, but much more ‘ding proof” and durable surface. It's a bit costly but worth it.

Bonding:

Wing halves and all spars are now joined and bonded with a special industrial adhesive reinforced with carbon flocking. This provides a vastly superior mechanical/chemical joint compared to just filler/epoxy.
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Overall takeaway:

Basically, if you buy an Aeroic “S” or “SS” version, you get high-strength bonded carbon wings and carbon tissue tailplanes as standard, and because of the sine wave spar and new debulking processes, the wings are very light and extremely strong in tension, compression and especially in torsion. Amazingly the “L version also has carbon tissue faced wings for ding resistance.

New Models:

Spada Gofast 3M:


Available now, and with a few new improvements (double sine wave spar as standard - it didn't need it, by why not?) Test flying is looking really good in the USA and done by by Red Jensen. Fast, agile, easy to fly and generally operate, with no bad habits. Supposed to be really stable under flaps and easy to land.

E-Models:

Promised so long ago: E-Sessanta, E-Forza and E-Corsa models with the all-new (slim) electric fuselages can be ordered from now. Price will be the same as the current non-E models.

Typhoon Toccata 2M: (RCRCM Typhoon replacement)

Positive moulds are done, I’m guessing that the model will be available at the end of December following a bit of test flying. I have had dozens of emails asking about this model and I hope it will become as much of a classic as the original I designed back in 2012. That model is still sold by RCRCM and is the biggest selling 2M moulded plane of all time. Closely followed by the Sunbird at 1.5M incidentally. - but we’ll take a look at that one later. The Toccata is instantly electric convertible by removing the nose, by the way.

4M MU32 full scale aerobatic model:

Coming mid 2024.

Thanks for reading this, guys. To be honest I’m really happy with the stuff coming out right now. Streets ahead of what you used to see from my previous manufacturer.

Doc, Nov 21 2023
 

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Congrats on all of your hard work Doc! When I move up to a larger scale moldy model I hope it will be one of yours.
Love seeing the sine wave spar. It's one of those things that makes so much sense no matter how many times you see the pictures or talk about it. Like, why has no one thought of this before for model planes! I first saw it in the articles you wrote for some magazine a few years ago. Wish you much success in the new Aeroic era!

Edit: BTW when are you gonna do a new and improved Gremlin???
 
Congrats on all of your hard work Doc! When I move up to a larger scale moldy model I hope it will be one of yours.
Love seeing the sine wave spar. It's one of those things that makes so much sense no matter how many times you see the pictures or talk about it. Like, why has no one thought of this before for model planes! I first saw it in the articles you wrote for some magazine a few years ago. Wish you much success in the new Aeroic era!

Edit: BTW when are you gonna do a new and improved Gremlin???
Thanks Kelly a bit of encouragement here and there goes a long way!

First large (ish) mouldy? Try the new 2M Typhhon Toccata, coming in a couple of months. Really easy to build, really easy to fly, sparkling performance - converts to electric with a hacksaw? I'd have one...but then I would, wouldn't i?

Aerobatic planes?

I have made Vector 1, Dorado 2M, and Minivec 1.8 with RCRCM years back though they are still all available.

I made Gremlin 60 Aresti 2m and Aresti 2.75M until Zhou went rogue and stole my moulds.

Thats 6 models.

Maybe I should consider making a new aerobat, but...to be honest, right now I think Wayne might have a project going in that area (Slovazzo?) and I wouldn't like to confuse that with one of my own right now.

Maybe later.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
Doc,

I am humbled and honored to be part of flight test development and feedback, thank you for allowing me to do so.

So far I only have my hands on the Spada, but I really look forward to flying the whole line. We all have seen typical Chinse quality, the Spada (and the Alpinebrise I fondled) are definitely not it. The construction, fit and finish that are normally reserved for European models is quickly apparent. I think these models are an excellent value and at this price point will impress a lot of folks.

If you see me on the slope, most certainly know that you are welcome to fly the Spada or anything else Aeroic that I have. For any of you newer folks who may be reluctant to fly a more expensive and complex molded airplane, no worries I have a buddy box set up so no reason not to try!

Looking forward to many great things in the future.
 

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If you see me on the slope, most certainly know that you are welcome to fly the Spada or anything else Aeroic that I have. For any of you newer folks who may be reluctant to fly a more expensive and complex molded airplane, no worries I have a buddy box set up so no reason not to try!
That's awesome, Red... Might have to take you up on that one of these days.
 
I just got the very last Aeroic Gremlin. Now i only have one other fully molded plane to compare it to (FS40) but man this thing is super pretty. So many nice little thing to look at on it. All the control horns in place already etc. Paint and seams look amazing. That sine wave spar inside looks so weird :)
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Maybe some pictures along with the names of the different models @Doc J ?
 
I just got the very last Aeroic Gremlin. Now i only have one other fully molded plane to compare it to (FS40) but man this thing is super pretty. So many nice little thing to look at on it. All the control horns in place already etc. Paint and seams look amazing. That sine wave spar inside looks so weird :)
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Maybe some pictures along with the names of the different models @Doc J ?
Hi Nate, thanks for choosing that little Gremlin - yes, on first look that 'wormy' sine wave spar does look strenge - but try twisting the wings. I think you will easily see why I adapted it to model use. Its much lighter and far, far stronger in compression/tension/torsion than any "D" box" or other model aeroplane spar to date.

I'm glad you like it. It was designed to be quirky and different from most models you might see on the slope, its not a "fish" and it might not meet everyone's idea of a classic aerobatics plane - but for aerobatics, nothing was compromised. Its not a flipper (VTPR) but its still really agile, retains energy well, and pretty fast for those classic aeros - and a few new ones.:cool:

I'll be really interested to see what you do with it bcause it really is the last one, unless the Zhou/Wells partnership decide to make more illegals.

Photographs of the whole range of models? Now that might be a good idea, as they have all had design changes and of course the overall quality has improved vastly. I'll do that - and thanks for the suggestion.

I'm watching with baited breath (Fish for dinner):ROFLMAO:

Cheers

Doc.
 
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Yeah, that thread got trashed by a couple of idiots as I recall.
Yay verily.

RC groups is really badly moderated. Its a nest of would-be trolls, 'do nothing' experts and malcontents who have never designed so much as a folded paper plane, but the crap they throw about is appealing to some, and worse - some of sticks, so the "moderators" let a lot of it stand.

I have fallen into the trap of trying to defend my models on RCGroups many a time. Now I simply don't bother; in fact I rarely look. Happily here at Aloft, common sense and good fair moderation prevails. On that have you noticed how fresh the air is lately?

Despite all the RCGroups bullsheet, the Gremlin is really just small quirky aerobatic model that works pretty well.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
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Is there a list somewhere of the correct starting setup for the gremlin? Actually do you have a manufacture website for the models i can look at? i couldnt seem to find one.
 
Is there a list somewhere of the correct starting setup for the gremlin? Actually do you have a manufacture website for the models i can look at? i couldnt seem to find one.
Hi Nate, no actual instructions but from my notes:

General aeros:

CG - 85mm
Flaps - as much as you can get.
Ailerons: 17mm up, 10mm down
Elevator: 10mmup, 8mm down.

You might like to add a bit of differential here and there, but thats all up to the individual flier.

Crow:

Flaps - down as much as you can get
Ailerons - 17mm up
Elevator compensation - 6mm max.

Have fun!

Doc
 
Rifle case should be here today. Just waiting for it so i can finalize my build and see for sure what will fit or not as far as the tail feathers.
I did get some balsa gorilla glued into the wing joiner tube. Just shaved off the corners and added GG on all 4 sides before sliding in.

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Hi Guys,
As you may have seen, alas, RCSD online soaring magazine is with us no longer, but...a lot of the articles are still online, so if you have not read them, or wish to take another look, here are some of mine:



Cheers,

Doc.
 
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