X10S Express will not Register to Receiver

[Rjwheeler]

New to FRSKY and just purchased a new X10S Express but running into a couple issues. 1) Transmitter does not Register with Receivers (RX6R). The Reg ID is not populating and the Register button never activates. I had a local club member who is knowledgeable with Open TX look at it. Same results from him. We loaded the latest ISRM firmware and RX6R upgrade with no luck.

Also Attempted to Load the June 2020 Beta FRos but am not getting past the Powering on and Holding the Enter KEY to clean tand load from Flash. The Restart is still showing the old version of FRos.

 

[HENNY]

I'm not using FRos on my X10S Express. but when using OTX and registering the process is different compared to normal binding. So to register the firmware on the internal module and the receiver version have to be the same. In OTX terms I am using v2.1.0 on the receiver. So once this is correct push and hold the bind button on the receiver both leds should be on solid. Now click Register on your transmitter. If it works the TX reports the receiver model number and the Registering successful prompt. I have found if you have not selected a unused model number registering won't occur in OTX, maybe the same for FRos.

 

[Rjwheeler]

Henry, Thanks for the advice and I followed the instructions. With Transmitter on and on the Int Module page I then held the Bind pin down and turned on the Receiver power.
The results were the two LEDs where lit like you noted. When I pushed the Register Button I received a voice "Internal Register". The Express FRos has an additional "Register" button but it is grayed out and I can't get to it (see attachment). The Reg ID also does not populate. The Transmitter is support to supply the unique Reg ID for the receiver but it looks like it is not.

Next steps will be to download the Open TX program and give that a go. A Club member who knows the OPEN TX well and said he would assist me. Looks like that is my next path to take, thanks for the advice and I will response with my results from trying to go to Open TX,

 

[HENNY]

Your receiver and transmitter maybe on different versions of Firmware. Also check that your receiver number isn't duplicated. IE two models with the same receiver number, seemed to stop me from registering. Going from FRos to Opentx is another big hurdle maybe?

 

[Wayne]

 

[Rjwheeler]

Henry and Wayne, Thanks for the suggestions. The Club member I spoke about and I were able to move on and get the Horus X10S working.
Here is a summary for anyone that may experience this as well.
Problem Statement = A new X10S express Horus Transmitter using the FrOS would not Register a Receiver or would not update to the latest version of FrOS.
1) when setting up a new Model, the Reg ID. was not proving a 8 digit number. We could never get to the point where we could select the second Register button once registration process started. Not having the Transmitter provided 8 digit ID was an issue.
We used a new Receiver (RX6R) with no luck and also used a known working properly (RX6R) the club member had. Neither worked and his has the latest Firmware. We loaded the latest ISRM firmware on the Transmitter with no help and loaded the new Receiver with the latest firmware as well .

2) When Attempting to Load a newer Beta Version of the FrOS 2.0.6 Beta it would not load properly and would not register as updated.

Resolution Steps = $$$ Finally, We loaded the OpenTX software directly to the Transmitter via a laptop and that resolved the issue with the Reg ID issue. We now had the Transmitter providing the 8 digit Reg ID.
We found I had a Receiver that would Register find but not bind. We reloaded the firmware and it would still not bind. we used a known good (RX6R) Receiver and all is golden now. It bound just fine. So it looks like I have bad receiver. The club member gave me the known good receiver to work with. I also have a second (RX6R) I will be loading shortly. Now I am on my way to setting up my first Model. The OpenTX manual is a great book and worth the money.

Summary - For some reason my Transmitter OS (FrOS) was in a bad state. Loading the Later Open TX version 2.3.9 otx did the trick with running the ISRM 2.1.0.
Also using a different Receiver as well. Thanks to a club member who is very knowledgeable about FrSky I am on my way. The club member is taking the Receiver that would not bind and will attempt to reload it again to see he can get it to work.

 

[Konrad]

Thank you for closing the loop on this.

 

[Wayne]

Sorry for the troubles!! Very odd.

I think you jumping over to OpenTX is a very good thing in the long run, you can now do anything you can imagine with that radio. FrOS is at the end of its short life, they are working on a new OS to replace it, and I think that one will be much nicer in pretty much every way, but OpenTX will remain the power house option.

 

[seagovernor]

Hi!
Exactly same issue here. My recently purchased X10S Express TX (2.0.06 beta) could not register an Archer receiver R10 Pro.
I sent a message to FrSky. Let's see how this issue will be resolved.

 

[Heidi_Q]

I'm also having the same trouble ?

 

[HENNY]

I will repeat an earlier post.
I'm not using FRos on my X10S Express. but when using OTX and registering the process is different compared to normal D16 binding. So to register the firmware on the internal module and the receiver version have to be the same. In OTX terms I am using v2.1.0 on the receiver. So once this is correct push and hold the bind button on the receiver both leds should be on solid. Now click Register on your transmitter. If it works the TX reports the receiver model number and the Registering successful prompt. I have found if you have not selected a unused model number registering won't occur in OTX, maybe the same for FRos.

 

[Heidi_Q]

Hi Henny, I had the same issue as the OP where the register button isn't able to be selected and the reciever info won't auto populate. I downloaded the new firmware for the TX. Looking at the reciever info, it says not to update it before binding? Can't get it to bind though ?
This is my first air model so I don't want to jump right into open TX if I can avoid it.
I'll keep trying.

 

[HENNY]

You indicate your Fros is at TX (2.0.06 beta) so this the latest version and includes V2 for the ISRM. The new Archers are supposed to come with the latest v2.1.x firmware but just in case its an older version I would recommend re flashing it with the wired cable plugged into the back of your X10S Express. The R10 pro latest version is v2.1.5.

The OTA only functions after its reg and bound so you cant do it this way, so use the wired flashing method.

The firmware available from here.
https://www.frsky-rc.com/archer-r10-pro/

 

[Heidi_Q]

You indicate your Fros is at TX (2.0.06 beta) so this the latest version and includes V2 for the ISRM. The new Archers are supposed to come with the latest v2.1.x firmware but just in case its an older version I would recommend re flashing it with the wired cable plugged into the back of your X10S Express. The R10 pro latest version is v2.1.5.

The OTA only functions after its reg and bound so you cant do it this way, so use the wired flashing method.

The firmware available from here.
https://www.frsky-rc.com/archer-r10-pro/

Sweet, thank you! I'll give it a try and let you know how it goes ?

 

[Heidi_Q]

You indicate your Fros is at TX (2.0.06 beta) so this the latest version and includes V2 for the ISRM. The new Archers are supposed to come with the latest v2.1.x firmware but just in case its an older version I would recommend re flashing it with the wired cable plugged into the back of your X10S Express. The R10 pro latest version is v2.1.5.

The OTA only functions after its reg and bound so you cant do it this way, so use the wired flashing method.

The firmware available from here.
https://www.frsky-rc.com/archer-r10-pro/

Ok, I got the firmware updated on the radio and the reciever. I tried registering it plugged into the back of the radio and also Ota on the model. Neither resolved the problem unfortunately. Any thoughts on buying a second reciever in case this one's a dud? I called the shop I bought it from and they tried to help but to no avail. My local shop doesn't stock air radios so that's not much help.

 

[HENNY]

You cannot register a receiver by plugging it into the rear of the Transmitter.
Please explain your process for flashing the receiver firmware. Do you have a 4.8 volt power source with servo plug that you can use to power the receiver.

 

[Heidi_Q]

I followed the directions on YouTube video for flashing the reciever, it seemed to work, at least the transmitter said it was successful.
I had been plugging the rx into the esc to power it but I can make up a dedicated source with a switch of you suggest. Like I said, I'm kinda jumping in the deep end here so I'm a bit blind.
I ordered a second rx just in case. I'll have use for it in the future if they both end up being fine.
I'm getting close to just trying open TX if you think that's a better route?

 

[Heidi_Q]

I followed the directions on YouTube video for flashing the reciever, it seemed to work, at least the transmitter said it was successful.
I had been plugging the rx into the esc to power it but I can make up a dedicated source with a switch of you suggest. Like I said, I'm kinda jumping in the deep end here so I'm a bit blind.
I ordered a second rx just in case. I'll have use for it in the future if they both end up being fine.
I'm getting close to just trying open TX if you think that's a better route?

@HENNY sorry, Forgot to tag you ?

 

[Heidi_Q]

@HENNY I also noticed that on the info page where it lists the current firmware it states that the hardware is X10 express rather than the X10S Express listed on the case. I think the firmware is the same for both looking at the file title but wasn't sure if it might be relevant.

 

[HENNY]

Heidi.
Yes the ISRM RF module is the same for X10 and X10S Express. Just remember if you go the OTX way, firmware is divided into two separate types of functionality.
1. OTX firmware is for setting up all your model requirements, Telemetry and screen displays, sounds and images etc. This is Open Source firmware created by countless computer and RC model nerds. Meant in a good way.

2. The ISRM firmware is written and controlled by FRsky. This firmware together with the receiver firmware is for transmitting the data created under OTX to and from the TX and RX.

Were you able to get the receiver registered and bound. This is two operations.

I have always used OTX so like it and mostly for the everyday stuff its pretty simple to use. Just a different mind set to other transmitter operating systems. There are countless videos out there but try to choose ones that are not too old ( Less than 6 months) as there have been many OTX revisions.

To install OTX on your FRos radio requires a Micro SD card of 16gig class 10 card. Copy the OTX SD card contents to the SD card. Then download the radio firmware and flash it to your radio. One big advantage with OTX is you can download Opentx Companion which makes flashing and producing a model and backing up your models to your PC really easy.

Happy hunting

Here is the Opentx web site, the latest version is Opentx 2.3.11. Follow the prompts to Companion as well as SD card contents etc.

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www.open-tx.org