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Who and/or what is FrSky and her branding and marketing schemes.

Ah, thanks for setting me straight.

I wonder if the DOJ has any leverage against HK.

I've ordered the odd item from China via eBay, AliEpress, or Banggood. Of late, most if not all of the items have arrived with me here in Canada without any indication of having passed through our customs service. Some were delivered to my door by an individual in an unmarked private vehicle.

That said, I haven't ordered anything from HK in quite some time. (And I really don't see any reason to do so again.) However, I do recall that my past mistakes (aka orders) did pass through our customs.

Gosh, I wish Aloft was my LHS. :)
 
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MPM is a problem, well here in the USA. As the airwaves are held in the public interest. Those that use the airways (transmit) are subject to the FCC rules. For the 2.4 gHz band this means that ALL transmissions device are subject to 'Type Certification', through proper test and certification procedures. This means that some entity must pay and submit these certifying test to the FCC.

My understanding is that NO MPM has passed these type certification. Yes, one of the on-board protocols has been tested but only at 1/10 the possible power rating. If true this means that no RF output is allowed (certified) in the USA at any operational power level.

Some say so what! Well, the sale of the MPM puts those that have followed the rules and gotten the proper FCC type certifications for their 2.4 gHz transmiters at a disadvantage. As the competition Radiomaster Jumper and TBS have not had to encure the expense of proper and legal certification.

All you have to do is look back at Boeing and her attempts to circumvent the certification process with the FAA. Should the FCC get wind of this it will be uncomfortable for the small firms like RadioMaster, Jumper, TBS should the FCC turn over their finding to the DOJ. One can see this with Boeing, as Boeing lost 50% of her value as a direct result of their shenanigans with the FAA certification process.

So while the MPM looks to be a great idea for a product it has as of this date not been done properly when looking as the protection of the public's interest in the public airways.

Then there is the problem of what happens to us hobbyists should we damage property or injure bystanders using these illegal modules.

The MPM is a good idea,but is just a poor product (legally).

All the best,
Konrad
Konrad.
Again your research has not found the following below.

I would not use the MPM module myself, I think it is low quality etc, however.

I can tell you with a good level of certainty that the Jumper 4-in-1 module DOES have FCC approval:

FCC ID: 2ANTI-JP4IN1

https://fccid.io/2ANTI-JP4IN1
 
As I recall there was some discussion on RCG of that FCC approval.

Some commentators maintained that the approval was based on only one of the four chipset in the MPM being tested and was therefore problematic. I took a look through the docs and didn't find any reference to four separate tests. However, it's entirely possible I missed the relevant info. Or that the requirement may not actually include such testing. I don't claim any expertise. Far from it.

A more interesting topic from my perspective is the MPM developers' insistence that the EFF Coder's Rights Project protects their disclosure of reverse engineered IP to the public, including to the owner's business competitors. Again, I claim absolutely no expertise in this matter. One possibly relevant section in the EFF FAQ states the following:

Reverse engineering generally doesn’t violate trade secret law because it is a fair and independent means of learning information, not a misappropriation. Once the information is discovered in a fair and honest way, it also can be reported without violating trade secret law.
Source: https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#faq2

If supportable, that argument seems to open the possibility for 'outing' trade secrets via arms' length Open Source projects.

One slightly different understanding of the EFF project is that it's intended to protect reverse engineering for personal use. Whether the protection ends at a 'personal use' threshold has not been tested in court that I'm aware. In any case, I wouldn't care to see any of the proponents of the MPM hauled into court over it.

The MPM horse is well and truly out of the barn. We're now in the post-MPM environment. The full consequences are history yet to be written, I think. Still, I'm pretty sure not everybody is happy with the developments so far.
 
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Konrad.
Again your research has not found the following below.

I would not use the MPM module myself, I think it is low quality etc, however.

I can tell you with a good level of certainty that the Jumper 4-in-1 module DOES have FCC approval:

FCC ID: 2ANTI-JP4IN1

https://fccid.io/2ANTI-JP4IN1
If you read the application, it only uses the CC2500 chip for the approval, and SOME of the text has been edited to remove references to other chips and protocols that don't run on the CC2500 (although some text still has other protocols in). There is a picture of the RF module, with the screen removed, showing the "Rf chip" as the CC2500.

Mike
 
MPM is a problem, well here in the USA. As the airwaves are held in the public interest. Those that use the airways (transmit) are subject to the FCC rules. For the 2.4 gHz band this means that ALL transmissions device are subject to 'Type Certification', through proper test and certification procedures. This means that some entity must pay and submit these certifying test to the FCC.

My understanding is that NO MPM has passed these type certification. Yes, one of the on-board protocols has been tested but only at 1/10 the possible power rating. If true this means that no RF output is allowed (certified) in the USA at any operational power level.

Some say so what! Well, the sale of the MPM puts those that have followed the rules and gotten the proper FCC type certifications for their 2.4 gHz transmitters at a disadvantage. As the competition Radiomaster Jumper and TBS have not had to incur the expense of proper and legal certification.
Konrad.
Again your research has not found the following below.

I would not use the MPM module myself, I think it is low quality etc, however.

I can tell you with a good level of certainty that the Jumper 4-in-1 module DOES have FCC approval:

FCC ID: 2ANTI-JP4IN1

https://fccid.io/2ANTI-JP4IN1
That is the document I found. And as I read it is does not meet the statutory requirement of protecting the airways for the whole module operating range. (Not even one protocol. As the testing for the one protocol, was done at 1/10 the power that would be used in the real world). This certification was done using the same model of deception that Boeing used to get the certification for the 737 Max.

Certification is done to prove that the public interest is protected. In the case of the FCC, that the radiated energy does not produce interference outside the approved RF band. To do that with the MPM, all RF chips, need to be tested at the full power rating allowed by the protocol. By 'MY' read this was not done in that FCC application!

I'm not saying the the MPM doesn't meet the operational requirements. I'm just saying that by that document the MPM has not been tested to prove that the MPM meets the FCC requirements for type certification. I'm sure that if someone wanted to they could get, through the Freedom of Information Act, get the full un-redacted documents and build a case against the current FCC type certification of the MPM.

I also see that folks often don't understand what these terms mean; reverse engineering, patent protection, copyright protection and theft. Having been involved in reverse engineered many a turbine part and received FAA PMA authority, I know a bit about the topic. As I didn't have the rights to the information on the print. So I had the reverse engineer the part (Form, Fit and Function).Fit and Function was easy. But that 'form' part meant, I had to deriving the materials used, manufacturing processes and testing procedures. That meant that I spent a lot of time on a SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope). Then hopefully I could interpret what I found to derive all the manufacturing processes used to define the form.

I would have loved to have used a print (stolen) to gather the information needed to manufacture the parts. But that would have been illegal and unethical. As it is, some would think reverse engineering is unethical as the original OEM would loose out on the sale of the parts I made. There maybe some truth to that. But the threat that I would reverse engineer the part drove the OEM to lower the price of the parts so as to make my efforts uneconomical. These reverse engineering efforts kept the OEM from price gouging.

Quality is another issue. All this squarely goes to my concern about the second tier branding of Vantec. I as a customer can't trust the products. Particularly if the OEM (FrSky) doesn't trust the product enough to risk the corporation's reputation on the products that they themselves manufactured. Specifically those that require certification.

All the best,
Konrad
 
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It is not a valid FCC certification as they lied about its uses and loaded it up with worthless firmware that is designed to get past certification and nothing else.

Not unlike the EPA and diesel engines. Manufacturers were hit hard, the FCC can and occasionally does hit hard. Sadly the FCC has little power over the MPM manufacturers as none are US based. So instead they go after the importers.

I had not heard about the GetFPV fine, but not surprised. The Hobby Queen fines as I understand it are based on the FPV transmitters that are totally illegal, and would suspect this is what GetFPV was nailed with. Hobby Queen has (or had) a US warehouse, thus they could be reached.

Since GetFPV is funded by venture capital I have to wonder what investors think of them being singled out by the FCC. One thing I have seen with the FCC or other government agencies, once singled out, you stay on the radar scopes for a long time. I have not looked, but bet both companies are still selling illegal gear. Video transmitters are almost always in violation of FCC laws.
 
Wow.. ran across this old thread.. and have to say , with some of the things Wayne said.. brought back some memories..

But hey Wayne.. I well remember that trade show in toledo.. bought my first radio X9D plus from you.. I still have it.. it has a different job today.. saw the X12s there for it's debut .. and oh yea... the power went out... ya... that was fun..

but the talk about frsky and their growth and changes..

I was looking at this new EX14 radio.. with a new OS in it.. again ?? reminds me of the FrOS...

Amazing how the shell is the same as the X14 twin and X14RS... but with a different OS.. and very limited features..

Seems that FrSky may be testing the waters again..

maybe break away from github with their own OS again..
 
I have one of the new radios coming. A sub $100 radio that is easy to use I think would be a very good thing to have with the reliable FrSky RF connection. Great for new folks just getting into the hobby.
 
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