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Urgent firmware update to all X receivers and RF modules (ACCST D16) just released

FrSky and service, now that's an odd combination! I don't know if it is a language thing or corporate philosophy but the only service I've received is from the importer/dealer (not to be confused with resellers). Wayne and the Aloft crew has done a great job cleaning up after FrSky's often poor introduction of products.
 
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This I know:
Between the OpenTX 2.3.x issue affecting Horus radios (solved in 2.3.5), and this XJT firmware issue I'm feeling very exposed.
However I'm not doing anything about it yet.
I would have liked to have had more time to dig into this but I've been very busy educating myself on the FAA RID NPRM so I could make a presentation to a large group of modelers. Still will be caught up in this FAA issue as we're working to educate and motivate hobbyists to see if we can deflect this FAA steam roller.

This I believe:
What I think I understand -- but am not sure -- is that if you don't upgrade your TX then future purchases of X series receivers won't work. Unfortunately FrSky's communication on this has been underwhelming to say the least. However (If I have this right) if you do upgrade your Tx then it will not work with D8 any longer (this D8 issue may be something that was unintended and there may be a subsequent update to deal with that -- but I don't have any facts).

This I suspect:
Now -- and I'm putting my tin conspiracy theory hat on here -- it seems that this update is to not allow Jumper (or subsequent clones) to use FrSky off the shelf gear.
This intermittent bug was apparently nailed down by a group of Germans and it's documented on a German hobby thread. Could it be that FrySky is killing two birds with one stone? Perhaps. It's unfathomable to me that ALL FrSky transmitters ever produced would be defective -- It shakes me to my core.

This I question:
I questioned why the ACCESS capable radios don't have updates for ACCST use and was told by Kilrah that an update is forthcoming.

This I wonder:
There have been two times when this mysterious bug MIGHT have bitten me. Once six years ago and once this year I've had a servo lock into an extreme position; once an aileron, once a ruddervator. I was never certain if the issue was a connection issue, or linkage binding, or what. It might have been this mysterious bug -- but maybe not too.

I'm glad it's winter -- so this may sort itself out before flying season returns. I've added four new very nice birds to my hangar for this year, three are larger, and one is faster, and all are much nicer than anything I've flown in the past. I darn sure don't want a channel jamming at 150mph in my Pantera - nor do I want my new 84" Turbo Bushmaster flopping out of a harrier and turning into a kit.
 
This I know:
Between the OpenTX 2.3.x issue affecting Horus radios (solved in 2.3.5), and this XJT firmware issue I'm feeling very exposed.
However I'm not doing anything about it yet.
I would have liked to have had more time to dig into this but I've been very busy educating myself on the FAA RID NPRM so I could make a presentation to a large group of modelers. Still will be caught up in this FAA issue as we're working to educate and motivate hobbyists to see if we can deflect this FAA steam roller.

This I believe:
What I think I understand -- but am not sure -- is that if you don't upgrade your TX then future purchases of X series receivers won't work. Unfortunately FrSky's communication on this has been underwhelming to say the least. However (If I have this right) if you do upgrade your Tx then it will not work with D8 any longer (this D8 issue may be something that was unintended and there may be a subsequent update to deal with that -- but I don't have any facts).

This I suspect:
Now -- and I'm putting my tin conspiracy theory hat on here -- it seems that this update is to not allow Jumper (or subsequent clones) to use FrSky off the shelf gear.
This intermittent bug was apparently nailed down by a group of Germans and it's documented on a German hobby thread. Could it be that FrySky is killing two birds with one stone? Perhaps. It's unfathomable to me that ALL FrSky transmitters ever produced would be defective -- It shakes me to my core.

This I question:
I questioned why the ACCESS capable radios don't have updates for ACCST use and was told by Kilrah that an update is forthcoming.

This I wonder:
There have been two times when this mysterious bug MIGHT have bitten me. Once six years ago and once this year I've had a servo lock into an extreme position; once an aileron, once a ruddervator. I was never certain if the issue was a connection issue, or linkage binding, or what. It might have been this mysterious bug -- but maybe not too.

I'm glad it's winter -- so this may sort itself out before flying season returns. I've added four new very nice birds to my hangar for this year, three are larger, and one is faster, and all are much nicer than anything I've flown in the past. I darn sure don't want a channel jamming at 150mph in my Pantera - nor do I want my new 84" Turbo Bushmaster flopping out of a harrier and turning into a kit.
Hi Scott
I agree with you comments however I want to advise that the Access radios do have both protocols ACCST and ACCESS. However the D and V series receivers will no longer be supported once you commit to an ACCST/ACCESS capable radios. I have upgraded to Opentx 2.3.5 and the new version XJT and IXJT v2.0.1 protocols and so far no issues. I will say I had my thoughts why I had to re bind my upgraded receivers and concluded that maybe ? the new v2.0.1 is somewhere between ACCST and ACCESS. In a way I think for RFsky to protect their IP is fair situation all be it a nuisance for us users. Let's face it the Jumper receiver offerings are rubbish, leaving only FRsky as a quality receiver manufacturer. FRsky have done an incredible development job. Many say they copied other radios, anyone that understands the technical development of FRsky products will find the only thing they copied is the X9D case 10 years ago and that's it. Let's hope this software upgrading is done soon.
 
Henny: Any idea how the Horus X10 ACCESS upgrade is impacted with this urgent fix? The upgrade firmware hasn't changed on the FRsky web site. Since an upgraded X10 still has ACCST capabilities, wouldn't it need a fix also? By the way, have you had any update from FRsky on the range issues with the upgrade? I'm sitting here with the upgrade kit boards but hesitant to install based on your excellent testing results.
 
This is exactly the type of issue I mentioned in my "FrSky for Dummies" thread when I stated that to me FrSky/OpenTX seems like a permanent beta test.
I got the x10s manual, I managed to set up a heli in Companion, and I love it! I was ready to order an x10s, but now I'm glad I didn't. I'm sure I will eventually take that step, but for now I will just wait until this issue is resolved.
 
This I know:
Between the OpenTX 2.3.x issue affecting Horus radios (solved in 2.3.5), and this XJT firmware issue I'm feeling very exposed.
However I'm not doing anything about it yet.
I would have liked to have had more time to dig into this but I've been very busy educating myself on the FAA RID NPRM so I could make a presentation to a large group of modelers. Still will be caught up in this FAA issue as we're working to educate and motivate hobbyists to see if we can deflect this FAA steam roller.

This I believe:
What I think I understand -- but am not sure -- is that if you don't upgrade your TX then future purchases of X series receivers won't work. Unfortunately FrSky's communication on this has been underwhelming to say the least. However (If I have this right) if you do upgrade your Tx then it will not work with D8 any longer (this D8 issue may be something that was unintended and there may be a subsequent update to deal with that -- but I don't have any facts).

This I suspect:
Now -- and I'm putting my tin conspiracy theory hat on here -- it seems that this update is to not allow Jumper (or subsequent clones) to use FrSky off the shelf gear.
This intermittent bug was apparently nailed down by a group of Germans and it's documented on a German hobby thread. Could it be that FrySky is killing two birds with one stone? Perhaps. It's unfathomable to me that ALL FrSky transmitters ever produced would be defective -- It shakes me to my core.

This I question:
I questioned why the ACCESS capable radios don't have updates for ACCST use and was told by Kilrah that an update is forthcoming.

This I wonder:
There have been two times when this mysterious bug MIGHT have bitten me. Once six years ago and once this year I've had a servo lock into an extreme position; once an aileron, once a ruddervator. I was never certain if the issue was a connection issue, or linkage binding, or what. It might have been this mysterious bug -- but maybe not too.

I'm glad it's winter -- so this may sort itself out before flying season returns. I've added four new very nice birds to my hangar for this year, three are larger, and one is faster, and all are much nicer than anything I've flown in the past. I darn sure don't want a channel jamming at 150mph in my Pantera - nor do I want my new 84" Turbo Bushmaster flopping out of a harrier and turning into a kit.
So, to FrSky the german market is the only valued market ? Why is the rest of the world excluded? Does anyone have a link to the german hobby thread with unofficial explanation of the alleged issue? (Guess I could use Google translate).

To the technical (safety) issue, do any english speakers understand what this is. What caused the un-commanded servo movement?
As a technical hobby there will always be a need for firmware updates as the parameters and environment is in constant flux. Otherwise there will be little or no advancement. But there needs to be a clear understanding as to the issues at hand. Without this understanding we will be subject to a lot of unnecessary, dare I say dangerous FW configuration. Not to mention the logistics of keeping track of configuration control.
Scott, How did you clear this "BUG" without the new XJT firmware? (I assume you, got a workable link at the end of the day).

As it stands now if I upgrade my XJT firmware all my current receivers with be bricked (inoperative). If I don't upgrade all future FrSky receivers will not work with the current (pre 2020 update). I'm suffering this because? FrSky wants to break the link with their receivers to the clone TX's? So, there is no technical (safety) issue for this incompatibility between the two XJT and X series firmware versions? This is purely a business issue (one not focused of the customer experience).

Another thing that concerns me is that It looks like FrSky doesn't see any real urgency with this issue as they are putting off expanding this fix until after the holidays. This is giving me the feeling that FrSky doesn't care about the safety of my models or myself. This is an indication that it really isn't much of a technical issue. Again without concise transparent communication from FrSky how are we the modeling public to trust that this upgrade is in fact in our best interests.

I have to admit I'm dusting off my Spektrum DX9. FrSky with the latest release of ACCESS and this FW update really has soured my view of the firm.
(I just spent 9 hours getting reacquainted with my DX9, programing my Taft Scorpion 8 cell EDF. It really is a major mind shift going back to menu driven TX programing).

With this FrSky and FAA fiasco it might be time to bring this RC stuff to an end and fly controline toys.
 
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This is exactly the type of issue I mentioned in my "FrSky for Dummies" thread when I stated that to me FrSky/OpenTX seems like a permanent beta test.
I got the x10s manual, I managed to set up a heli in Companion, and I love it! I was ready to order an x10s, but now I'm glad I didn't. I'm sure I will eventually take that step, but for now I will just wait until this issue is resolved.
This is much more that a Beta test issue. Yes, FrSky does bring out a lot of new functionality a bit too early to the market. If you like to be a beta tester with the latest and greatest this is great. If you are more rational, just wait a month and the product will in all likelihood stabilize to a solid functioning product.

This issue is more about the business issue of cutting out the clone and placing this burden on their loyal (formally loyal) customer base.
(I haven't seen the technical justification for the un-commanded servo movement)

I will say that with Frsky's and the FAA's cluster F**K , I'm not buying any new RF equipment.

OpenTx is not in the beta race. They issue "nightlies" for those that want to be beta testers. It is the issues found and worked out in the nightlies that then make it in the the approved release. OpenTX clearly states that their nightlies are prone to having bugs and dangerous ones at that. Use at your own risk. I one isn't capable of assessing the risks then don't use the nightlies.
 
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Does anyone have a link to german hobby thread with unofficial explanation of the alleged issue? (Guess I could use Google translate).
There's a German forum at frsky-forum.de. I can translate for you unless you want entire threads translated.
 
....I have to admit I'm dusting off my Spektrum DX9. FrSky with the latest release of ACCESS and this FW update really has soured my view of the firm.
(I just spent 9 hours getting reacquainted with my DX9, programing my Taft Scorpion 8 cell EDF. It really is a major mind shift going back to menu driven TX programing).
...
Have I mentioned how much I miss OpenTX!!!
 
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Thank you, for the link to the german forum.

Can you direct me to the thread and maybe to the pages that address the technical issues?

I'll try to use Google translate. If the content is lost in translation I may take you up on your offer.

Again thanks,
Konrad
 
I just went through the link to the german Forum. All I see are the notices for the FW update.

Is there a technical discussion (explanation) as to what was the issue and the related condition that brought this to a head?
 
I believe you are right, there's not much technical information besides mentioning of the symptom - sudden servo movements ("Ploetzliche Servoausschlaege"). Other than that it's indeed just links to the updated firmware packages for the various radios and receivers.
I'm now trying to find a German OpenTX forum, but no luck so far.
 
Yes, I'm this disperate to get my head around the issue that I stopped by RCGoof's.
This guy seems to do a better job of articulating the issue as I see it.
Again sorry for the link to RCGoof's

Still haven't found what are the "edge cases" (failure corners). 5 plus years and I've yet to find myself in that situation. Please what are the conditions that drives the un-commanded servo movement? Have I (most of us) been lucky not to operate in the area where the firmware fails. If we know where the problem is we may be able to avoid it, never needing to brick our current RX's.

I may be wrong but my understanding is that the issue is with the XJT firmware (RF protocols), not OpenTX.
 
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Risk management.

We've been flying with the old XJT FW for what looks like 4 to 5 years with nearly a report of any issue.
(It took a dedicated german group of hobbyists to describe (find) the issue). The fact that FrSky's management decided to throw a wrench in the mix with strengthened correction and verification capability is unconscionable

As to flying the previous FW, I will continue to be flying with it. I have no reason to think that there is a real issue until we get about 6 place past the decimal point (AKA a million to one chance of a failure). I'm not going to change my flying habits based of FrSky's management crying "the sky is falling".

Now I do have grave concern about the integrity of FrSky's management, that I am all but this close to throwing Frsky out the window. (I would if it wasn't for OpenTX). My move back to the antiquated menu driven Spektrum DX9 is driven by my lack of confidence in FrSky's management not from the lack of confidence in the current state of the hardware/firmware.
 
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I just looked at the FRSKY web site firmware update i see the update for ACCST TX etc but there is no updated firmware for the boards installed on the ACCESS protocol TX the only thing i see is under module update for the X10/S wouldn't the new IRSM board need the same update( emergency update ?) wow this is really getting confusing.

Dennis
 
I just looked at the FRSKY web site firmware update i see the update for ACCST TX etc but there is no updated firmware for the boards installed on the ACCESS protocol TX the only thing i see is under module update for the X10/S wouldn't the new IRSM board need the same update( emergency update ?) wow this is really getting confusing.

Dennis
There are no updates for the ACCESS radio models including the new RF board for Horus radios as they are already on a newer version of firmware. The updates are only for XJT RF modules and connected receivers. Just be aware if you perform the v2.0.1 firmware upgrade the V and D series receivers are no longer supported.
 
Henny,
Thank you, for the detailed antidotal example. Luck would have it that little or none of the equipment or software is applicable to my situation.

I'd still like to learn what the "german hobbyists" found. It reads like FrSky is crediting them with finding (describing) the actual flaw.

Dennis,
FrSky doesn't think this is really much of an issue, as they have said that work will continue after the holidays.
 
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No I hadn't Thank you this is exactly what I wanted to know. I'm printing my translation. There may be more than a few errors.
From the above link.

This report is designed to provide an understandable overview of the "sudden servo deflection" problem.
FrSky remote controls and conversion systems have been around since 2009. Since then, the products have been known to be reliable and are becoming increasingly popular due to their very good price / line ratio.
In mid-2019, isolated information about "sudden servo deflections" came from customers in Germany. A little later the first information from Austria and Switzerland.

There was practically no evidence anywhere else in the world.

We ran many long-term tests under all possible operating conditions, but were unable to reproduce the problem. When the reports of these servo deflections became more frequent and we got more transmitter / receiver combinations for testing where the problem should have arisen, we actually managed to see the error "live" on a servo. Neither we nor FrSky were able to reproduce the error. In the autumn of this year Ewald Möhring and I came together by email and it turned out that Ewald was and is a retired software and RF specialist. We provided him with various Frsky transmitters and receivers to carry out measurements and he was able to measure and reproduce the problem for the first time. Using the high-quality measurement technology available to him, he was also able to generate log files of the problem for the first time. With this information, Dirk Weiler and Udo Nowakowski came on board, who, thanks to their in-depth knowledge, were also able to help localize the problem. Dirk and Udo developed tools that enabled them and us (Engel Modellbau) to record log files and display the error even without extremely expensive measuring technology.

At this point, FrSky was finally provided with information by Ewald and me, which also enabled FrSky to reproduce the problem. From now on it got serious and FrSky recognized the problem. The FrSky company owner personally ordered the problem to be dealt with as a priority.

Which products are affected? ALL receivers and transmitters / HF modules from FrSky!

Is LBT (EU) and FCC (world wide) equally affected? Basically yes! However, with FCC there are only in extreme exceptions more than four faulty frames (that is 0.036 seconds) and the user does not notice the problem. This also explains why until recently there was no evidence of the problem in the United States. The problem occurs very rarely with LBT (EU), but much more frequently than with FCC. This is in the nature of LBT and has nothing to do with FrSky.

Does the problem occur more often with OpenTX or with FrSky OS?

Since the software (user interface) has nothing to do with the transfer software, it doesn't matter whether you use OpenTX or FrSky OS.

How often does the problem occur?

You can't answer that as a blanket because there is no logic. There is credible information from customers that they had the problem several times a day and then again not for weeks. There is also credible information from customers who have had hundreds of flights without any problems when the problem occurred. And there are still a lot of customers who have never had the problem.

But it can happen to anyone and at any time!

What happens in practice? A.) If the error occurs (typically 2-4 faulty frames), it usually manifests itself in a short “servo twitch” without any noticeable servo movement. 2 frames last 18ms, that's too short for one noticeable servo deflection. It's barely visible, just audible. Mostly it affects only one of the 16 servo channels, rarely two. B.) In rare cases under A) not only is a servo value incorrect, but there is a brief malfunction in the execution of the receiver program. Probably because, in addition to or in addition to a servo value, any program-relevant control bits were also incorrectly transmitted. In all tests, this has always taken 0.9 seconds until the receiver "catches" and resynchronizes with the transmitter. Within this 0.9 seconds all servo values are frozen to the latest status. Unfortunately, it is usually the case that a faulty servo value is frozen for 0.9s on any of the 16 servo channels. If a servo is connected to this channel, there is a clear, uncontrolled servo deflection. 0.9s are also sufficient for slow servos to fully position. If one of the 16 servo channels is faulty in this case and is not used, the model cannot be controlled for 0.9s, but no servo deflection can be determined. The same applies if only control bits but no servo values are incorrect. Compared to the short “servo twitching”, this case occurs much less frequently and has so far only affected a few pilots in the EU (LBT) area. The statistical difference between A.) and B.) is simply based on the fact that considerably more servo data than control bits are transmitted from the transmitter to the receiver.

The main cause is the so-called "error detection / encryption" in the firmware. This was developed by FrSky itself in order to remain independent of the chip manufacturers. Because these also provide error detection / encryption. This self-developed error detection / encryption must have worked well for years. Otherwise FrSky would not have earned its good reputation as a safe and reliable RC system to date.

In recent times, however, the operating conditions have increasingly changed due to a significantly higher utilization of the 2.4 GHz band. There is a direct, statistical connection between interference and the quality of the radio link on the 2.4GHz band and the probability with which our error can occur.

In addition, modern receiver chips are more sensitive and therefore allow a longer range. However, they are therefore also more sensitive to the smallest frequency deviations. This is why receivers like the GRX-8 are affected more often than older types. If the scattering of components (there is certainly in electronics) leads to a somewhat unclean frequency adjustment and there are also many disturbances in the environment, then there is a significantly higher probability that the problem will occur.

What is FrSky doing now?

FrSky works very intensively on updates for most products. From today's perspective, only a few receivers cannot be updated due to the hardware. With these updates, above all the "error detection / encryption" mentioned above is significantly improved. Further small measures will also be included, which will also have a positive effect on the transmission quality overall.

Where there are advantages, there are also known disadvantages. Due to the changed encryption, all receivers and transmitter / RF modules that a customer operates must receive an update at the same time.

If you don't do this, only the receivers who have received an update will work with the transmitter.

This is also the reason why the updates will only be available in packages. There will be a package for ACCESS transmitters / RF modules and receivers and a package for ACCST (D16) transmitters / RF modules and receivers.

Due to massive pressure from our side, FrSky was convinced to prefer the ACCST updates. Originally they wanted to finish the ACCESS updates in December and then the ACCST updates in January / February. Now FrSky is working in parallel on the updates for both protocols.

The final tests of the updates started on December 5th, 2019. Ewald Möhring (software and RF specialist), Jan Urbánek RC Studio CZ (electronics technician), Mike Delay (software specialist), Adela (technical staff in development at FrSky) and I are involved.

What's next here?I would like to ask other technical questions to the round under the topic (thread) "Sudden servo deflections". We will then regularly expand this information page with summarized answers if necessary.

P.S.
This is looking like it might not be so heavily biased towards Clone lock out. Actually this is looking a lot like the issue brown out issues we had earlier with Spektrum (1 second reboot). I'm at a loss as to why FrSky hasn't come out with this. Had they come out with this earlier It would have saved a lot of "words" and not have tarnished their reputation.
 
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