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Slow Stick new Aloft motor setup

Wayne

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Hey all,

We have been getting a lot of folks asking for a good power setup for the Slow Sticks and I think we have come up with a really neat setup.

Let me start by saying that the Slow Stick will work well with just about any motor you can fit onto the stock brushless motor mount that we include with the kits. That motor mount will fit up to about a 29mm outside diameter motor. So if you have something like that in your spare pile, go with that!

Our goals for a power plant was:
1- Low Price
2- Robust
3- Lightweight
4- Enough power for sport flying

With those goals in mind I started looking at all of the motors we offered. At first I wanted to go with something around 1200kv, but most of these motors are a little spendy and a little heavy. Lately we have been powering more and more of our higher performance gliders and small race planes with motors that were developed for multirotors. These little motors tend to be very powerful, light in weight and stupid strong. The quality tends to be above normal thanks to competition in that sector for great power to weight ratios and need to durability.

I started looking at some of the multirotor motors and after running the numbers, one of the DYS motors looked like a great fit to meet all of our requirements. The motor is happy to produce 75 watts for training, or 175 watts for sport flying. More on that later. The prop shaft is a 5mm hollow steel shaft, if you manage to damage this shaft I doubt the plane survived at all. Top quality bearings, motor windings and magnets all make for a very reliable motor that should be able to take a lot of training abuse.

Trainer setup:
I wanted a power plant that could grow with the pilot. Take them from training to sport pilot with minimal re-investment. This motor makes this very easy. For training we are suggesting this little 4 bladed prop and a 2S battery:
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This prop is whisper quiet and gives tons of ground clearance. It is decently strong, and can take some hits without shedding blabes, but will break in a large impact, avoiding damage to the motor or airframe. It provides the student pilot with about 75 watts of power on a 2S 1000 or 1300 battery. (Can carry a much bigger battery, but light is best for trainers, it will reduce the carnage in a crash.)

With this setup, the power is plenty for training, but no so much as to make the plane difficult to handle. Actually, it is really nice for gentle sport flying and has enough power to loop or jump into the air quickly.

Need more power?
you have 2 options. I suggest simply swapping the prop. We test flew with a 3 bladed multirotor prop with a bit more pitch and this gave a little more power. Next I put a GWS 9x6 2 blade prop on and this was very nice for sport flying. Gives you the big slow turning blade that just looks really good, and a lot of thrust to do whatever you like.

Another option is to keep the 4 bladed prop and switch over to a 3S battery. I have to say that I really liked how quick the throttle response was with this setup. Blip the throttle for instant results. This was really fun with the Slow Stick. If I remember correctly this combo is now producing about 175 watts of power. It is plenty of power for the Slow Stick, but still works really well at not overpowering the airframe. Best of all, we are still super lightweight, we have power but have not lost all of the slow flight fun!

I was excited when I was looking at the math for these setups, but didn't want to suggest this until we had actually flight tested the different configurations. I'm actually blown away as I do think this may be a perfect setup for the Slow stick. It achieves all of the goals and then some, and really lets the Slow Stick shine at what it does best - provide endless flying fun! :)

We will post up some video as soon as we get it edited and ready.
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Our Slow Force:

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Also, we had 2 new pilots solo their Slow Sticks this weekend! One of them is our employee Victor and the other is Chris' son Jordan, 9 years old. And the planes survived!
 
The park480 (920kv) on 2cells with a 10x3.8 prop is a gentile quiet combination. Good for learning throttle controlled landings.
The same on 3s makes it harder to get that exact throttle setting needed for a gentile landing. But adds vertical performance And the ability to fly in 5-8mph winds“.
4s gives Ludicrous acceleration and the ability pull the wings off if you don’t idle down before a pullout.
 
That is what is fun with the Slow Stick, so many motors will work with it. You can mix and match this plane to do what you like. We will be doing a bunch of silly mods and contests with our soon. :)

I forgot to mention that we were flying with 850 packs and they were lasting a good long time as we are hardly pulling any power. With the high power setup we tended to use a low power settings most of the time. For the video we shot I was forcing myself to do some full throttle flight just for comparison to the low power option.

In the first photo up above you may notice the windsock in the background. I was holding some throttle to keep the plane from rolling backwards while Sean was setting up the camera.

We had so much fun with these planes yesterday. Bring me back to the good ol' days. Get out, fun fun, experiment, and share.
 
Wayne

I'm thinking about getting a slow stick to use as a trainer for my kids and nieces and nephews. I like you idea for the power set up sounds good.

From the pic of the group of models one looks like the original Pico stick is that correct? Is that one coming back too? one of those was my first successful electric model. I also like the pico stick F that had the foam fuse. I had one that flew quite well on 7 cell 350 nimh batter. With lipo it would be even better.

Hank
 
Just finished my Slow Stick yesterday and waiting for decent weather for the maiden. Couple of things I noticed about this new SS is the foam material appears to be thinner than the original SS, also the landing gear wire is stiffer and not so "bendy" as the original. Scrabbling thru my parts bin I came up with a 1000KV motor and 20 amp ESC. Prop is a GWS 10X4.7 and battery is a Glacier 1,000 mah lipo for now and will get an 850 lipo and see how that works. The CG worked out right on 3.75 inches with that battery.

will
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10X4.7.
 
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Wayne, I'm curious about the specs on the 4 bladed prop on your Slow Stick, did not see it on your merchandise page.
 
The 4 blade prop is our whisper prop:

We had some heavy winds this weekend, but the Slow Sticks still flew some on Sunday. Had to keep the props spinning while on the ground to avoid rolling off the runway. LOL One of the employees here that is learning to fly crashed his straight into the runway. Only busted the motor mount. Had him back in the air in a few minutes. Got to love that. No damage to the motor. So that was a good test.

Later as the wind became evil I decided to try something silly. We have some old power plane wings that we wanted to do something stupid with. These are some good old fuel soaked wings from the 90's.

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For this I replaced the 2S battery with a 3S and we were ready to go. I will not lie, it was not great, but it could deal with the gusty wind better. Rudder authority was horrible as it had very little dihedral but it was fun.. The landing gear did not love the extra weight.. I never managed to "land" it as the gusts down low simply kicked it around too much. But no damage, and plenty of power.

Now I should say that one plane was running this same setup, but his power was much less. His prop was a little dirty from some earlier crashes (beginner) and he had a different speed control. My plane easily produces twice the power in trainer mode. We will be doing some investigation to figure out why his is so much weaker. Mine has the Dualsky ESC that we recommend, it is great. The other plane had a 30 amp Powerup unit, and those have been fine in the past.

-Wayne
 
If the SlowStick Wing gets a little depression in it .. is it possible to heat the area up with hot water and expect it will reform and fill the dents (like I hear can be done with some EPO wings) ?
 
Yes, I like to use a wet paper towel and a iron on film iron to heat the water in the paper towel. This way I get a lot of control as what gets heated. Also as long as there is water the heat is limited to 100 degrees.

The results are often better than what we get with EPO. You will still need filler and paint if want the like new look.
 
Thanks a lot..I'll try that I'm not that picky but it's a dent about 2 inches long and 1/16th wide and deep. and stands out cause all the rest of the wing is so smooth.
 
These new wings are stronger than the old ones. We will have to post up some video from the weekend of trashing around the sky with a couple of watts. We have not shown what the motor can do properly as a lot of our camera footage was kind of horrible. But having lots of fun.

Oh yeah, Chris flew his biplane version. He 3D printed some mounts. Worked well other than lack of rudder authority, but his wing mount failed as he simply glued the struts to the bottom wing, and eventually the red skin on the film peeled off at the glue points.. His biplane turned into a low wing and he landed. :) Sadly we did not get the failure on camera. PS. The Biplane flew really slow. :)

That is the fun of the slow sticks..
 
Thanks.. Sounds like you're all having a ball with this plane.. I better start building mine I guess.. but honestly have been spoiled by the simplicity of the newer Horizon models that are pre-built and just snap together. I forgot how many pieces and steps it takes to build one but the hardest is just makink a little time and putting together the 1st two pieces.. :)
 
Oh boy.. Doesn't get much easier than a slow stick, but I know what you mean.

We are thinking we might do a little contest based on the Slow Sticks. I'm leaning towards a heavy lift challenge. Maybe 2 or 3 classes of build. Should be fun.
 
So glad to see this airplane back for sale. It is the airplane I learned to fly on and it is very easy to fly. I think I will see if a few of my flying friends want to buy on so we can save on shipping costs.
 
Since this thread is about the power plant for the Slow Stick kit, I bought a second motor setup and Slow Stick kit but now I'm realizing my old plane is still very capable and I don't need two flying sticks. So I'm thinking about making a flying wing or something out of dollar store foam board.

So I have the recommended motor and 1300mah 2S battery packs. I have zero idea how to size the wing for that combination, any thoughts on what 75 watts can pull? Ideally it'd be a nice very light weight slow flyer!
 
Well, here is the nice thing, you can just change the prop and get a lot more watts from that motor. For a flying wing I would keep the span down to 48" or less. The smaller they are the more "active" they become. Active is fun, but a challenge if you are new, and short lived when made from dollar tree foam. I will strongly suggest checking out the EPP flying wings. They fly better and will last MUCH longer, as in decades. :)
 
I'm building mine as we speak with ailerons my question is i see various builds with motor mount up and down or mototr above and below the boom
what is the differeence?
 
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