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Slope MOMs Racing - Lets get this going!

Sunset or Los Banos.

I would not recommend Tick due to limited parking, heavy traffic and high visibility. A race could jeopordize this fragile site.
 
Possibly the SLoT once it reopens in August. Need to check with the Club.

Would Coyote Hills be a possibility? I have not flown there in years?
 
"All planes will be printed with the exact same settings and endfills. A true one design this way"

And should weight the same on race day making it a true Pilot -v- Pilot race đŸŽ¯
 
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I'm happy to let pilots ballast as they see fit. Ballasting is a pilot skill IHMO. (All ballast must be internal, a typical slope racing safety rule.)

Agreed- Not Tic point could cause issues. Coyote, Sunset and Banos should will work well. I think we could use Davenport also, would have to figure out the layout for a shorter course there. Ollie suggested Thornton, think they arrested the crazy guy there, so that should be good again. That is actually a good site, and thinking maybe the first race there??
 
... think they arrested the crazy guy there ...

Affirmative; fantastic conditions there today.

edit: not sure how I feel about having essentially over-engineered lawn darts swarming and colliding above and around the pedestrians and dogs. there's also the paragliders.
 

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My Sunday morning rambling:

I think we need a bit of background and present thought here, and an invitation to participate in this idea for all who are interested.

MOM Fun:
I'll say it right now, in model gliding there is no discipline that gives the same excitement, anticipation, adrenaline rush and satisfaction as MOM racing. FUN, FUN, FUN!!! Sometimes in these days of forums - happily this is a great one - and sometimes, due to stupidity, people forget that the object of the exercise here is to have FUN.

What we are trying to do:
It used to be that MOM was almost an"Ego" event. I can fly faster than you, I can design and make a plane faster than yours, etc. But I think this is long gone, and most of the time, the skills and time needed to do it on your own design have gone too. Back then, making your own plane for the most part was no choice.

What we (Red, Wayne, Ollie and I - the gang of four?) are trying to do is to find ways to get MOM racing going again in the USA. Actually, I remember when I was actively Pylon racing in the UK (A loooong time ago), and we heard about F3f, which I believe started in Scandinavia and was not an FAI category at that time. : Never going to catch on," we grinned. Oh, was I wrong. But it's true to say that participation in F3f, which is NOT MOM racing, is declining in Europe - its stronghold. The reason - overall its just too boring.

Our idea initially was to try to hold a "kinda" MOM at Banos to see what happened, which was actually moderately successful and maybe would have been a lot of fun and a good start had it not been for the heat, which was excessive. So that went west.

ISR attempt:
Then the idea was simply to try to cooperate to hold a real ISR at Davenport, its home in the USA. Well, that went west, too, as Wayne has explained.

So far, no-go. Then presently our thinking, rightly or wrongly, in trying to analyse the reasons why MOM does not seem to be the sport that everyone jumps to get into has been:

Expense? - Maybe these shiny mouldies are too pricey to use? - especially in the unstable economic climate that exists in the USA today. Maybe people are nervous chucking their expensive planes into the fray where they might get damaged or written off. This is and always has been true with MOM. 4-up racing of really fast (they are faster now) models will result in carnage from time to time, but it's surprisingly rare.

Solution: Go small, cheap, and simple to begin with: Maybe try to make available printed or short kit 60" (1.5M) models for a 60" class. There are sporadic, sometimes ODR races all over the place already, but they seem to have died out in California.

Lack of experience? - Maybe people are afraid of being embarrassed by their lack of very serious 'formation' flying?

Solution: Just make the easy-to-build, easy-to-fly models available at affordable fun prices and let it infect the community to want to go for the bigger, faster model races later, after people have more experience? Hold at least one race (ISR) and more if possible, to let the newcomers who might be interested take a look and hopefully "get the bug". It doesn't have to be big in the beginning, just simple and fun.

Rules?: Make the rules safety-oriented, and nothing else but really simple plane specs. Make participation easy.

Onward:

Ollie Red and Wayne are talking about making available 60 models, the prototypes for which are already flying or on the way. I may be able to help with at least one "traditional" (non-printed) prototype by making glass fuselages.

Most important: We are experienced pylon racers. We know what it costs and what it brings in terms of enjoyment.

So, what are the reasons preventing YOU from participating in this excitement? If you are just not interested/not a competitive person, then fine, but what would it take to get YOU interested? Your opinions here are the most important information we can have to make these events and the great fun they can bring happen and be as attractive to as many people as possible.

If you can put down your thoughts here, that would be a great indicator, and we'd have a better idea of which way to go.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
OK Ok, I'll take two, Wait how much are they? I'll still take two... How much? I don't see them on Aloft...
Pauly
 
Affirmative; fantastic conditions there today.

edit: not sure how I feel about having essentially over-engineered lawn darts swarming and colliding above and around the pedestrians and dogs. there's also the paragliders.
That's good go know that the site is accessible freely again. Of the sites that I know of that are "easily" accessible in the Bay Area and suitable for a racing event, it's at the top of my list. The ability to setup a race course along the cliff edge is a huge bonus. Safety to hikers and random spectators is an issue at most parks. It has been a while since I've flown at Thornton, but I do remember it having better separation from the trails--no walker is going to be on the edge of the cliff! Still, a safety monitor whose sole job it is to make sure it's safe to race seems like a given.

Coyote Hills is my weekly flying site during slope season. It has many different challenges compared to Thornton. Choosing a course, while maybe possible, is a bit of a challenge. Hikers do cross the area where we fly and land--and have absolutely no idea what they're walking into. It's just something we have to be aware of and take precautions to avoid. In a race, this presents a major challenge. Unless the course is made extremely short, I'm not sure there's a way around it. Also, the elevation changes quite substantially from one part of the slope to another. There's no nice, long rim of a slope on which to setup a course.

Both Thornton Beach and Coyote Hills present an issue for anyone who's not a little bit nimble. How's the hike down at Thornton these days? I remember it being a bit steep and sandy. At Coyote, it's a hike up to one of many peaks or plateaus on a hill. It's at least a half a mile and a couple hundred feet of climbing. Some paths are easier than others, but none is effortless.
 
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Possibly the SLoT once it reopens in August. Need to check with the Club.

this is , in my view , the best place for racing events in the Bay Area.
the wind ( quality and quantity, as I say ) and the lift , are exceptional ,
and the site has hosted many racing events.
 
I can put some MoM races on the SLoT event schedule, for sure. We’ve done them both ways in the past one design (Speedos), and ‘fly what you got’ up to 60”. I'd be happy just to get a big enough group together, MoM races are the best days on the hill.

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I’ll do my best to keep the list updated as accurately as possible.
If your name is missing from the list, the quantity is incorrect, or you would like to change the amount, just leave a comment on this post and I’ll update the list accordingly 😄

@RafaelAvila might as well make it lucky 13, and sign me/Alex for one as well

Mark
 
Woo...looking interesting for printed planes. So it looks like model availability might be a big factor in getting this going.

How about a 'short' fuselage/canopy, foam wings, and balsa tailplanes kit? Maybe pre-veneered wings?

Doc.
 
James - Lets not muddy the waters with other airframes, let's stick with this formula for a year. For next season the participants will plan the future.

Here is a rough cost breakdown for the planes:
Filament is about $12
Print time is about 25 hours. We were thinking to charge $2/hour for the printing. This covers some labor and electrical.
Additionally we have some carbon and a few odds and ends for the kits. Will add those items up next week. For servos, you can use whatever you like, we have been using the thin Emax and Orbit Eras servos, they will fit flush, a cheap-o 9 gram will work, but will be a little exposed in the wing. You will need 5 servos.

We will put together a little build manual. Optionally, if you like, we can do a build night at Aloft.

It may not be a bad idea to have a backup plane. It is MOM racing.. LOL

The course length will vary depending on the slope and who sets up the poles. Generally they are shorter than an F3F course to keep the action a little more enticing. :cool:
 
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Hi Rafael, I was the one with the Mini Wanderer at the end of Sunset. It was nice meeting you.

I'd like one please, assuming I'm in town for the event.

I'd be happy to help with printing if needed (X1C in SF).
 
Hi Rafael, I was the one with the Mini Wanderer at the end of Sunset. It was nice meeting you.

I'd like one please, assuming I'm in town for the event.

I'd be happy to help with printing if needed (X1C in SF).
oh nice to talk to you again :D, thank you for the offer. i let you know if i need some help, at moment i just need more PETG HF White hahaha (order Placed already)
 
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