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Serafin electric build notes

u2builder

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Serafin Electric Build Notes

I recently built a Serafin with a motor. The Blejyzk planes have caught my eye because I love the look of natural wood, but I have never built one .... until a few weeks ago. I like the looks of Serafin. It looks a bit like an oversize DLG with its pretty "ellipticalish" wing. The Serafin is very similar to the Mefisto and there are several comprehensive build threads on that, but I couldn't find much information on building either the Serafin or the Mefisto with a motor so I figured I would post my experience here in case others are interested. Unfortunately I didn't take any photos during the build but I have attached a few of the finished glider.

I have built lots of balsa ply models, including several older and newer 2 m gliders, mostly from kits and a few from plans since getting into this hobby after I retired. The Blejyzk planes are pretty much already "built" but there are still quite a few critical steps left for the builder.

I found the E-Serafin build "challenging" in several respects, partly because this was a completely new type of assembly, partly because I could find no info on the electric version and mostly because I realized there was little room for error and it would be a lot more difficult to "cover up" mistakes than on a balsa ply film covered glider.

I knew from reading previous threads that a two bolt one piece wing would probably be stronger and easier to build than the four bolt two piece wing. Nevertheless, I decided to build the 2 piece wing mostly because I really didn't want to apply fiberglass in the center section. I didn't want to risk making a mess in the middle of this beautiful wing and my previous attempts at fiber glassing have been less than perfect. Also, while I don't need to remove the wing to fit in my vehicle, I can see that it could be desirable if I get a small vehicle in the future.

The two wing panels don't precisely line up as has been mentioned by others and I wanted the little spar to be removable so I put a tube to accept the spar in both wings. It took a lot of filing and fiddling and checking to get the wings lined up and with the proper dihedral. Locating and exactly drilling and countersinking the holes for the wing bolts was the next task that left no room for mistakes. I drilled pilot holes and progressively enlarged them but but there was a tendency for the bits to run a little off center and I had to use a tiny round file to center a couple holes. There was not much room to spare in the fuselage for the blind nut attachment either and of course the wing had to wind up perpendicular to the centerline of the fuselage. I was glad to see Wayne's Mefisto 10 year old build thread with the removeable wing on RC Groups. I took my time, and really did measure several times before drilling holes. Luckily it came out good, but I could and can see how it would be easy to screw this up. As a final note, I replaced the supplied slot head 4 mm nylon bolts with Phillips head type which are much easier to use and better for the wing skin.

Installing the Corona DS-843MG digital metal gear servos in the wings was the next challenge. I used the marked the openings which were almost perfect for these servos, and cut them out with multiple passes with a hobby knife. Removing the foam was easy by cutting around the perimeter and then plucking out the foam and scraping the bits off the veneer with a small chisel. I did not use a hot soldering tip because I didn't want to have to scrape off globs of melted plastic. I thought about reinforcing the veneer with fiberglass as others have done but decided instead to epoxy the veneer I had cutout to make the openings to reinforce the "bottom" of the opening. Pulling the servo wires went well. I made the tunnel between the flap servo and the wing root a little larger. The next step was to try to figure out how to position the servo arms and what holes to use, challenging because once the servos are glued in changing these things is difficult. I had to use z-bends on the arms to get full movement of the arms without cutting away more wood. I tried to hold a servo in place while using a servo tester to see how much movement of the control surfaces I was getting. It was surprisingly difficult to hold the servo in place! I wanted to use the closest to center hole in the servo arm for good resolution and still get enough surface movement. I wound up using the second hole out from the center of the arm for the ailerons and the third hole out for the flaps and offset the flap servo arm on the servo output shaft to get the maximum down flap as well as enough up flap so flaps could be used as ailerons. Because the servos were so hard to hold in place I decided to glue small pieces of basswood onto the reinforced skin. I attached little "wing" adapters that came with the servos and screwed the servos to these blocks in addition to wrapping the servos with masking taping and epoxying them to the skin. For extra measure I glued a strip of CF to the servo across the top as others recommended in the Mefisto threads. When I did the final setup on using Mike Shellim's excellent E-Soar Plus for ETHOS the flaps and ailerons all the surfaces moved to the recommended limits with very linear curves that went through or close to the origin. The top hinging limits the flap servo deflection to maybe 50 - 60 degrees. I am not sure if they will be effective for braking, but pretty sure I won't need flap braking anyway.

I decided to make the cross tail removeable, which should have been very easy except that I didn't know the blind nut for the stab was already installed since it wasn't visible or mentioned in the instructions. The hardware kit that came with my cross tail version was for the V tail and came with 3mm blind nuts and screws for the tail and when I drilled a 3mm hole in what I thought was a guide hole I hit the preinstalled hidden (very blind!) 2mm blind nut which then had nothing to hold it. I didn't have a 2mm bolt anyway and the kit didn't come with one so I removed the 2mm nut and drilled a larger hole for a 3mm blind nut and set that in epoxy to keep it in place. I used double stick tape under the stab in addition to the screw. The removeable cross tail is a great design. With the removeable wings the Serafin will almost fit in the tiny box it came in. It is very portable.
 

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The first step for the E version was to cut off the nose and add a 32mm CN motor mount and that went well. I made a loop the same OD (100mm) as the motor mount and slid it over the nose and made it parallel to the back of the fuselage since the manual said the downthrust is built in. I sawed the nose off a little long and sanded to a push on fit of the motor mount. There was really no room for the wires of the 28mm OD Emax XA 2212 980 motor to run under the motor. I was going to run the straight out of the bottom of the fuselage and then back in after the motor but I eventually discovered that Aloft sold the 22mm OD Dualsky XM 2230 1550 kV motor which would have room for the wires. It was and still is out of stock but I mentioned this to a flying buddy who actually had one new in a box! How lucky. I added a 32mm Aloft alloy spinner and 8 x 5 prop.

Servos for the tail were Corona DS-843MG which are pretty small but there was no room to put them one in front of the other and have room for the battery, or side by side and have room for the servo arms on the sides. I wound up putting them side by side at about a 30 degree angle, one facing front the the other facing back, which left "just" enough space to slide in an Armsoar 550 mah battery without hitting the motor. It is a very tight fit. The HW 30A Fun Fly ESC is located just behind the servos and there is "just" enough space to run forward under the servos and "just" enough wire to attach to the motor wires. I originally installed a 20A ESC which was plenty for the motor but I realized the BEC on the 20A might not have been able to handle 6 digital servos. It is easy to overlook this if one is used to two servo gliders! The wing servo wires are attached to the Archer G8R along with the tail servo wires and ESC wires and everything is stuffed through the hole in the fuselage between the motor mounts. I don't plan on removing the wing often.

The tail servos and control rod housings are attached to the inner fiberglass shell which is glued to the main fuselage while the motor is attached to outer pod which is taped to the inner shell and not glued so the outer shell is removeable if I unscrew the motor.

I needed to cut a canopy opening to insert the battery. I used a hobby knife and razor saw. It came out pretty good but not perfect at the corners. If Aloft happens to get the electric pods in stock I might replace the nose piece though it is certainly "good enuf" as is.

The CG is right at the recommended 75 mm aft of the LE with no lead. I did tape all the servos, servo wires, motor, spinner, prop, and ESC on the fuselage in approximate locations very early in the assembly process so this was not a total surprise.

I was hoping for a really light weight. Aloft lists the pure glider version at 22 oz . I didn't expect mine would weigh a lot more since I didn't need any lead, but my AUW was 26 oz. It turns out that the Corona servos are heavier than I though and weigh 12g each instead of 8.5g as listed, and 14g with the horns and hardware and I did give it 4 good coats of Polycrylic so that may account for some of the difference. I didn't weigh these parts before coating so I don't know how much weight the coating added but it looks great and I am sure it will fly fine, though it will be 6 months before I get to try it. In the meantime I just love looking at the Serafin sitting on my workbench. It really is a pretty glider.

Would I do anything differently? Not much. I'd purchase a larger pin vise for drilling holes instead of a using a hand held drill. I'd order two extra Blejzyk control horns for the cross tail since the ones in the kit were for the V tail. I'd be able to build the Serafin more quickly the second time around !

I hope these notes are helpful to a future builder planning on an electric version of the Serafin or Mefisto. I'd like to give a shout out to Jarron at Aloft for his assistance on this and other projects, and Konrad who answered the questions that I posted on his detailed Mefisto build thread and even answered some questions I forgot to ask!
 

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Great to see a detail build/review!

To help other in their search can I ask that you add “tags” to the thread.
 
Funny how sometimes when you think you did everything "right" you sometimes discover maybe you didn't?

I was kind of wrapping things up and consolidating files on the computer when I happened to take one last look at the attached illustration from the attached picture from the Aloft Serafin listing. You can't really see it here but if you look closely at the two profiles at the bottom on the original the top one appears to be the glider and the bottom one the motor version, and the fuselage lengths from rear of fuselage to tip of nose or spinner are 938.5 and 878 mm respectively. I measured mine and it is 910. There is no way I could have the fit motor, battery and servos in 30 mm less space. I am thinking perhaps the actual motor pod is shorter, and therefore a larger diameter at the tip and able to accommodate a typical 28 mm OD motor with wires underneath, the receiver and esc are perhaps located right behind the motor, and the servos are in line like they are in the glider, and the battery is inserted through the hole in the fuselage under the wing. The electric nose is likely intended to be glued to the inner fiberglass and the canopy is to access the servos and electronics and perhaps nose weight. I think somewhere on the Blejyzk site there is a photo of a person inserting a battery into the fuselage in one of their gliders. The battery would be on the CG and could be much larger. The motor would likely need to be a couple ounces heavier or it would need a bit of lead like the glider. Just a guess. Folks at Aloft may know if the electric pod is shorter since they once had them in stock.

Without any instructions I came up with a different approach which caused everything to be very tight and limited the size of the battery (which is fine for my purposes). However, I think the fuselage looks nicer with the glider like nose: 30 mm longer and with a 32 mm spinner instead of a 34" or possibly 36" spinner, and my approach is likely quite a bit lighter, and best of all I can change the battery easily without removing the wing. I don't intend to fly this plane like a warmliner, but rather plan to use the battery to get upstairs and maybe find a thermal, and if I get two or three launches between battery changes it will all be good and time for a break anyway. Hey, if I get bored I can still push the nose down and buzz the field too.

Whether or not what I guess may have been the intended plan, a builder could certainly choose to build a shorter nose version with a larger motor and bigger battery under the wing and have a speedier warm liner type ship or take the approach I described.

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