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Redshift Mk I (New Purchase)

I almost hate to suggest this, but think fashion works into it the equation.
Actually, fashion was not a consideration in my case, Wayne (And Konrad) though from what I have seen I concede that it's quite likely to be high on the list for other designers. On that, have you noticed a distinct Red-shifty wing shape appearing on the newer designs out there? Hmm...I wonder why?

I try at least not to do "me too's". As I have said many times, there is little, if any advantage of a V-Tail over a conventional tail and plenty of disadvantages. If I could actually sell an F3f sized (Note I don't say dedicated) model WITHOUT a V-Tail then I would indeed, and I'm really thinking of doing so. For the last few years the record holder has been a cross tail and if you ask Mr O - he will tell you that although he flies many V-Tail models - for the record he'll always come back to the Cross.

So these were my pre-design V-Tail conjectures:

I quickly found that not that much is known about V-Tails in full-sized aviation, let alone model practice. When considering the V-Tail angle on the Redshift F3f - for that was what I was designing - mistakenly or not; at the time I decided to err on the side of the more projected area for the tails to (possibly) make them more effective for turning. My thinking was that as long as there WAS an angle it should be OK. Frankly, I did not consider any other possible stability effects of a shallower angle other than the effectiveness of the rudder control would be reduced. As rudder is not that effective anyway on a V-Tail model I decided that was the way to go.

The V-Tail angle on the coming Spada is already sharpened - this is based on my own and others experiences with the model but especially inputs from Konrad and "Mr O" plus a couple of pretty famous blokes in the UK who have all flown it extensively. I'm still thinking about this but there is a possible formula/equation coalescing in my mind that might help.

So far, in conclusion, I think that a more acute engle will help with the tracking overall, and as we know the speed killer (mostly) in F3f models is overdoing control inputs then less 'wiggle' out of the turns and better "go-where-its-pointedness" should result in fewer corrections and therefore better times.

Never forget that that little rudder nudge or wing levelling tweak moves THE ENTIRE AIRFRAME. If you are flying alongside other models neck and neck - as in MOM just see what happens when you make a control adjustment. I found that out a long time ago in MOM slope pylon racing in the '80s in the UK.

The jury on the exact angle needed is still out, but something must change.

My thoughts - Cheers,

Doc.
 
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Reading the sizing articles from many a designer there is no one V-tail angle that fits all. Both Dr Drela and Don Stackhouse have written much on the topic in the toy airplane press. Both agree (and so do I) that the projected area method (based on the cruciform tail) is guarantied to result in a poor performing tail/aircraft. Both authors use the wing's aspect ratio as a variable in sizing the tail and associate angle. To be clear both Drela and Stackhouse use different methodologies but come come close to the same result.

No I haven't noticed other following your wing planform. I'm see some higher aspect ratio wings like in the old Fosa Lift and Shinto.

What new F3F racers have come on the scene since you introduced the Redshift?
 
That is a Very nice looking Glider...and very detailed Log...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you. My aim is to allow others to duplicate my success or learn from my failures. The credit for the lines goes to Doc..

All the best,
Konrad
 
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Reading the sizing articles from many a designer there is no one V-tail angle that fits all. Both Dr Drela and Don Stackhouse have written much on the topic in the toy airplane press. Both agree (and so do I) that the projected area method (based on the cruciform tail) is guarantied to result in a poor performing tail/aircraft. Both authors use the wing's aspect ratio as a variable in sizing the tail and associate angle. To be clear both Drela and Stackhouse use different methodologies but come come close to the same result.

No I haven't noticed other following your wing planform. I'm see some higher aspect ratio wings like in the old Fosa Lift and Shinto.

What new F3F racers have come on the scene since you introduced the Redshift?

V-Tail "method"?
There is no such thing as the "Projected tail area method".

My way of doing it had to do with making sure that there was enough plan view projected area to give good turns, and not worry too much about the side projected area. I was wrong and this resulted in a tail arrangement that was not only at the wrong angle, it was also slightly too small.

We all learn from our mistakes. Happily in all but the most hard-fought competitions, this defect if it can be called that had little effect - probably due to the skill of the pilots flying it. Redshift did get the fastest time in at least two EuroTuour competitions, and actually among the 45 or so competitors, placed quite high in the whole series, though I'm sure with a better tail setup the model would have done even better.

I'm still not sure what the best angle is but I do have a possible formula to work it out in development. As you say it has to do with wing planform/aspect ratio and MAC position but the relationship is somewhat complex and variable to tying it all together in one sum is a bit hard. Per Aspera ad Astra.

New models?
I'm not going to do the work for you, Konrad. Take a look buddy! Maybe it might be an idea to Google "New F3f" for new F3 planes?
Fosa lift and Shinto are at least 6 and 5 years old respectively. You have to look for the new stuff.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
That’s my point. I don’t see any new wings that look like yours. That is one of the reasons I’m collecting so many Redshifts. Even with the undersized V-tail they are worth the effort to field one. I wish other competent pilots would have given the Redshift a try. I'm sure the few minutes some got flying one at the ISR really didn’t show off the Redshift in her best light. I’m also sure having a hack like me being the only one feilding one isn’t helping matters. To be clear my poor standings in our NCSS races is as a result of my lack of skill and has nothing to do with my choice of tooling. Heck, even the Strega has given me a round win.
 
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Just for fun, Konrad:

Quantum, Pitbull 2, Vantage, Judge, ElDorado, Respect 2, Sprint, Mojo.

These all show signs of the designers having thought about the lift distribution...or could it be that they saw a Redshift pic?

All I can think of for now without looking on the 'net.

Doc.
 
Now you might have to show me what parts of the wing planform look to be a like between the Pitbull 2 and the Redshift. I just don’t see it. Besides it looks too me that the Redshift came out in the early 2018 time frame. I think the Pitbull 2 came out in mid 2017. With manufacturing lead time and such I don’t think ether can be said to be a copy (technical theory) of each other. Like I said just looking at the plan view I don’t see the Redshift wing in the Pitbull 2.

Lift distribution has been looked at since at least the 20’s. I think the elliptical lift distribution came out of these studies. I’m looking for your solution in the wings of the “modern” F3F racer.
 
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Now you might have to show me what parts of the wing planform look to be a like between the Pitbull 2 and the Redshift. I just don’t see it. Besides it looks too me that the Redshift came out in the early 2018 time frame. I think the Pitbull 2 came out in mid 2017. With manufacturing lead time and such I don’t think ether can be said to be a copy (technical theory) of each other. Like I said just looking at the plan view I don’t see the Redshift wing in the Pitbull 2.

Lift distribution has been looked at since at least the 20’s. I think the elliptical lift distribution came out of these studies. I’m looking for your solution in the wings of the “modern” F3F racer.
Konrad, the point has whizzed past you.

"These all show signs of the designers having thought about the lift distribution..."

Look again: These all show signs of the designers having thought about the lift distribution...

I never indicated that they might be copies - only newer models headed in what I hope is the right direction.

Doc.
 
But hasn’t that has always been the case after WW1. Even I thought about it when I designed my quarter midget, FAI F3d and F1 racers, and I’m not an aerodynamicist.

This statement leads me to think that other designers are following the Redshift‘s wing shape that you introduced. Not that designers are now finally thinking of the lift distribution along the wing. Sorry, if I misinterpreted your statement.
Actually, fashion was not a consideration in my case, Wayne (And Konrad) though from what I have seen I concede that it's quite likely to be high on the list for other designers. On that, have you noticed a distinct Red-shifty wing shape appearing on the newer designs out there? Hmm...I wonder why?

Doc.

Now with the manufacturing ability imparted by the molded wing I too am surprised it has taken this long for wings to look more like a high aspect ratio Spitfire with rear sweep (elongated ellipse). So many wings look to have a straight taper section and then the curve (ellipse) added at the tip. The Redshift wings look to have the progressive curve of the ellipse on both the leading and trailing edges starting at the root and ending near the tip. With the Pitbull 2 I still see the rather straight taper for a lot of the span.
 
But hasn’t that has always been the case after WW1. Even I thought about it when I designed my quarter midget, FAI F3d and F1 racers, and I’m not an aerodynamicist.

This statement leads me to think that other designers are following the Redshift‘s wing shape that you introduced. Not that designers are now finally thinking of the lift distribution along the wing. Sorry, if I misinterpreted your statement.


Now with the manufacturing ability imparted by the molded wing I too am surprised it has taken this long for wings to look more like a high aspect ratio Spitfire with rear sweep (elongated ellipse). So many wings look to have a straight taper section and then the curve (ellipse) added at the tip. The Redshift wings look to have the progressive curve of the ellipse on both the leading and trailing edges starting at the root and ending near the tip. With the Pitbull 2 I still see the rather straight taper for a lot of the span.
Wing planform/Lift distrubution:

Pretty much correct Konrad. The ideal lift shape - if we can call it that - is elliptical, so an ellipse is what we need. Um...Except...a lot of the time on a narrow chord glider, the MAC and the CG can be too close together, which can lead to some particularly nasty unplanned departures from stable flight.

So what do we do? The best we can: which, as you note, is to reverse the ellipse so as to separate the MAC and CG a little more and so lessen the chances of stall prone instability - especially in turns.

OK, done deal, right?

Nope...there are other problems with a classical elliptical planform - even a reversed one - and they are the curved tips.
As we know, air will always take the path of least resistance, but if you look at the shape of an elliptical wingtip, then visualize some spanwise flow influence, add a bit of highly variable airspeed, then even in your mind's eye you will start to see a bit of a mess.

Those pesky isobars need to leave the wingtips (sources of many many stall behaviours) as smoothly as possible and with a controllable vortex (if possible) at the normal mid and upper-speed ranges. So we'd like the air at that point to do what WE want it to do and not what IT wants to do.

If you look at a real reversed intrinsic ellipse in a wind tunnel at glider aspect ratios (or UAV?) you will quickly find that the rounded tips are not only messy airflow-wise, they are pretty unpredictable too. The air can, and will, make sudden unpredictable departures in really odd directions. Not what we want.

Messing about with high altitude UAV's for a number of years, I have done a fair bit of wingtip testing and tried many wings tip shapes, and fins, and odd projections, and almost anything you can think of; and though it all the simple slightly angled clipped wing tip shines brightest. This shape gives the cleanest departures and the smallest vortexes at a wide variety of speeds - so that's what I use. If you get it right it will be pretty quiet (listen to a curved wingtip glider hiss and shriek) and may at times give a bit of a buzz - but only when going really fast.

I do try to prioritise my development directions and I think the wings are pretty much OK for the future. If you look at the Alpenbrise (which has the same type of wing planform) video's the wings work very well. For the smaller model V-Tail...I'm still learning - a lot. See below.

Revisiting the V-tail for a moment:

I do remember (in my admittedly rather obtuse thinking at the time) when I designed the Redshift that I was also a bit concerned with a skinny fuselage - and as you know the new one is even skinnier - with two large (V-tail) projections trailing in the wind at the back.
When we fly on the slope we are flying at a pretty complex vector if we want to fly straight and level. For example, if we are flying left to right, we have the wind coming at us, and also the lift generated by the slope itself which results in a pretty elaborate resultant. In fact, we are flying through a stream of air that is coming from below, front, right...hmm. So our plane is likely to be flying slightly nose down and nose yawed slightly to the right. To make matters even more complex there is a huge interaction between the speed of our model and the actual speed of the wind vector we are flying in.

So to test a sloping plane properly in a wind tunnel it would have to have the airflow vector direction correct (for any given speed)which normally would mean setting the test model at different vertical and yaw angles in the tunnel. If you can imagine that, then you can see why I giggle at computer simulations for slope planes. Anyway, the net result of that is that anything that is not symmetrical front and back that is flying in the convoluted wind/lift vector could be a bit of a liability, and can and will "weathercock" resulting in possibly quite large yaw and altitude change if the difference between the front and back area is too large - which we know it will be. Obviously if correct this is a good advantage and if not then the model is likely to wiggle around - even in level flight - like a racing snake with a chilli up its bum- help!

Basically, my (Possibly mistaken) idea again was to keep the projections as low as practically possible, while trying to weigh the overall benefits of the obtuse Vs Acute angle paradox.

Let's continue to share ideas and develop!

Cheers.

Doc.
 
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This is rapidly getting beyond my pay grade. I will say that the wing of the Redshift has a very honest stall. If it is the planform, airfoils or twists I can’t say. I’ll admit that based on prior experience the narrow wings scared me. But the Redshift wing tips have held on and never gave me any surprises the few times I stalled her.
 
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This is rapidly getting beyond my pay grade. I will say that the wing of the Redshift has a very honest stall. If it is the planform, airfoils or twists I can’t say. I’ll admit that based of prior experience the narrow wings scared me. But the Redshift wing tips have held on and never gave me any surprises the few times I stalled her.
If everything is in the right place and the aerofoil has the right parameters then the wing should be basically predictable in performance.

Hopefully the Redshift - and the other Aeroic wings - are in the good zone.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
Now, I'm not a wind warrior by any means because...well...using the elements for propulsion ticks off the angel of combustion (yeah, its wierd, but its my story and I'm sticking to it.)...but...instead of using kevlar strips, why not wire hinges through the flap leading edges.

I ask, as my mustang is wire hinged at all control surfaces. The flaps, without servos attached will flop well past 90 degrees, easily, with no bind. I know weight is an issue for you guys, but the flap leading edge shouldn't be that far from cg, nor would they seriously affect wing loading. The mustang's are basically piano wire with a 90 at one end to act as a catch. Three composite inserts act as loops at the leading edge of the flap, with a notch in the flap edge to act as the second part of the catch. The mustang uses screws to insure they stay put, but a kevlar strip, glued to cover the notch at final install would work just as well, only being there to keep the wire from walking out of the loops. Movement being limited only by the shape of the joints between the wing and control surfaces. Y'all's wings are thin, but can't be so thin that a small loop and piano wire couldn't be done I wouldn't think.
When I get back home from this 6 week trip out I'll get some pictures of the mustang's hinges at the flaps. The way H9 did the flaps is a bit...wierd...anyway, but, it does make sense and it works.

The center wing to mid flap stays bolted to the fuselage, allowing the plane to sit on its gear, even with the wings removed. The flap is split in two halves with a doubled 1/8th ply tab that joins the two halves when you mount the wings for flight..puts a funky seam in the flap, but from a design standpoint makes transport, and mounting of wings at the field, much easier since its sitting on its wheels. No flopping the fuselage inverted to mount a wing.

The notch in the wing for both the ailerons and flaps have a curved shape to them, no interference from the structure.I dunno if they flop a full 110 degrees but they will flop past 90, easily, with no binding.

Now, I'm not looking at the plane, but working from memory. The flaps and rudder don't use wire loops protruding from the leading edge of either, instead, they have 3 composite inserts glued into notches in the control surface leading edges. Each wood rib of the flaps was drilled to allow a plastic tube to be inserted through. Doc, remember, I had to notch the flap control horn for the tube then epoxy the control horn to the tube? A bit if design overkill, that tube, I think. But, for y'all and rhe light load on your wings, I don't think it would be needed, just the three composite inserts plus allowance during wing construction for the wire to pass through. The composite inserts would keep the wire from eating into the wood structures of the flaps. I know y,all, at times, use a foam core as the underlying structure for the wings, etc...just heating the wire and melting the channel through the foam solves that issue. As long as its kept parallel to the LE of the control surface and straight..or just cut the foam before sheeting it to create the channel. The inserts would be structural to the sheeting, and foam safe'd to the foam. Take some testing to see how it would hold up, but I think it would hold just fine.

Course, typical flap use on a warbird or any fully powered flight aircraft is typically landing and take off. Y'all may use your flaps a lot more, I dunno. Like I said, might be worth a test or three.

But, as far as movement...getting movement past 90 degrees should be possible.
 
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Now, I'm not a wind warrior by any means because...well...using the elements for propulsion ticks off the angel of combustion (yeah, its wierd, but its my story and I'm sticking to it.)...but...instead of using kevlar strips, why not wire hinges through the flap leading edges.

I ask, as my mustang is wire hinged at all control surfaces. The flaps, without servos attached will flop well past 90 degrees, easily, with no bind. I know weight is an issue for you guys, but the flap leading edge shouldn't be that far from cg, nor would they seriously affect wing loading. The mustang's are basically piano wire with a 90 at one end to act as a catch. Three composite inserts act as loops at the leading edge of the flap, with a notch in the flap edge to act as the second part of the catch. The mustang uses screws to insure they stay put, but a kevlar strip, glued to cover the notch at final install would work just as well, only being there to keep the wire from walking out of the loops. Movement being limited only by the shape of the joints between the wing and control surfaces. Y'all's wings are thin, but can't be so thin that a small loop and piano wire couldn't be done I wouldn't think.
When I get back home from this 6 week trip out I'll get some pictures of the mustang's hinges at the flaps. The way H9 did the flaps is a bit...wierd...anyway, but, it does make sense and it works.

The center wing to mid flap stays bolted to the fuselage, allowing the plane to sit on its gear, even with the wings removed. The flap is split in two halves with a doubled 1/8th ply tab that joins the two halves when you mount the wings for flight..puts a funky seam in the flap, but from a design standpoint makes transport, and mounting of wings at the field, much easier since its sitting on its wheels. No flopping the fuselage inverted to mount a wing.

The notch in the wing for both the ailerons and flaps have a curved shape to them, no interference from the structure.I dunno if they flop a full 110 degrees but they will flop past 90, easily, with no binding.

Now, I'm not looking at the plane, but working from memory. The flaps and rudder don't use wire loops protruding from the leading edge of either, instead, they have 3 composite inserts glued into notches in the control surface leading edges. Each wood rib of the flaps was drilled to allow a plastic tube to be inserted through. Doc, remember, I had to notch the flap control horn for the tube then epoxy the control horn to the tube? A bit if design overkill, that tube, I think. But, for y'all and rhe light load on your wings, I don't think it would be needed, just the three composite inserts plus allowance during wing construction for the wire to pass through. The composite inserts would keep the wire from eating into the wood structures of the flaps. I know y,all, at times, use a foam core as the underlying structure for the wings, etc...just heating the wire and melting the channel through the foam solves that issue. As long as its kept parallel to the LE of the control surface and straight..or just cut the foam before sheeting it to create the channel. The inserts would be structural to the sheeting, and foam safe'd to the foam. Take some testing to see how it would hold up, but I think it would hold just fine.

Course, typical flap use on a warbird or any fully powered flight aircraft is typically landing and take off. Y'all may use your flaps a lot more, I dunno. Like I said, might be worth a test or three.

But, as far as movement...getting movement past 90 degrees should be possible.
Someone should try that Tex!

i.e: Not me.

Not really suitable for moulded models.

Doc.
 
I’ll have to wait for your photos of the concealed Hinge. But as I see it, the main issues are that the hinge line is not sealed (added drag). And second there is a lot of extra work (manpower) needed for the concealed hinge. Also it introduces the possibility of mis-alignment at the time of manufacturing.

With the use of a live hinge we are using the material properties of the kevlar or mylar to the fullest. This results in ease of manufacture, self aligned, aerodynamicaly sealed, few if any added parts and relitively easy to repair.

Not sure why the gods of combustion would object. After all they are as lazy as us mortals and hate to work more than they have to. It is my experiance that they love anything that frees them from the tyranny of drag!
 
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We held our first race of the season and as usual I wasn't prepared. That is my Redshift where I had changed the V tail angle to 99° hadn't been test flown since the repair after its last major crash. As a result of trim and set up changes I wasn't flying her smoothly. Half the turns looked fine if not a bit wide. I had dialed down the snap flap. But the other half of the turns looked rushed. That is I often used too much aileron. As a result I was getting too much wiggle. Again I think this was because of using too much aileron, and with the added aileron response I didn't have the differential and rudder mix set up correctly.

But what I wanted to mention was that on one occasion I hit strong turbulence coming out of a turn, the wing dropped I over reacted and was up on the other tip in a millisecond. This shows to me that the wing did not nor was it close to a stall. If it was and the wing tip dropped because of a stall my adding the aileron input to pick it up would have driven that wing into a deep stall. But the wing came up and I was up on the other wing in an instant. This shows that the narrow tips held on just fine. Now I think I may have suffered a bit more drama than I would have otherwise been subjected to if I had a bit more tail volume. But the Redshift was behaving fine, not great but fine.

Now I might be seeing what is close to the limit of my V-tail angle mod. As set up I was holding a lot of up (full) through the wide turns. This might be an indication that I didn't have enough snap flap or I need more elevator movement. I say snap flap as I was able to land just fine with the same amount of elevator throw as I was using at speed.

On the subject of landing I'm really starting to like how the Redshift lands. On Sunday's race I was landing as well as a I ever have at the SLoT. I would line up on the "telephone pole" and run down the ridge top at low altitude and at high speed. When I got over the landing zone I would bank and yaw into the wind level the wings and throw out the flaps. The Redshift would look like it hit a brick wall and just loose all ground speed. I would then modulate the flaps to allow the Redshift to land like a helicoptor. When I got knee high I'd pull up the flaps and push the nose down to make sure I still had some airspeed over the control surfaces.

The Redshift was doing all I asked of her. I just wish I had more time on her to dial her in. Not having to do any repairs will go a long way towards helping me get setup for the next race on March 13.
 
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We held our first race of the season and as usual I wasn't prepared. That is my Redshift where I had changed the V tail angle to 99° hadn't been test flown since the repair of its last major crash. As a result of trim and set up changes I wasn't flying her smoothly. Half the turns looked fine if not a bit wide. I had dialed down the snap flap. But the other half of the turns looked rushed. That is I often used too much aileron. As a result I was getting too much wiggle. Again I think this was because of using too much aileron, and with the added aileron response I didn't have the differential and rudder mix set up correctly.

But what I wanted to mention was that on one occasion I hit strong turbulence coming out of a turn, the wing dropped I over reacted and was up on the other tip in a millisecond. This shows to me that the wing did not nor was it close to a stall. If it was and the wing tip dropped because of a stall my adding the aileron input to pick it up would have driven that wing into a deep stall. But the wing came up and I was up on the other wing. This shows that the narrow tips held on just fine. Now I think I may have suffered a bit more drama than I would have otherwise been subjected to if I had a bit more tail volume. The Redshift was behaving fine, not great but fine.

Now I might be seeing what is close to the limit of my V-tail angle mod. As set up I was holding a lot of up (full) through the wide turns. This might be an indication that I didn't have enough snap flap or more elevator movement. I say snap flap as I was able to land just fine with the same amount of elevator throw as I was using at speed.

On the subject of landing I'm really starting to like how the Redshift lands. On Sunday's race I was landing as well as a I ever have at the SLoT. I would line up on the "telephone pole" and run down the ridge top at low altitude and at high speed. When I got over the landing zone I would bank and yaw into the wind level the wings and throw out the flaps. The Redshift would look like it hit a brick wall and just loose all ground speed. I would then modulate the flaps to allow the Redshift to land like a helicoptor. When I got knee high I'd pull up the flaps and push the nose down to make sure I still had some airspeed over the control surfaces.

The Redshift was doing all I asked of her. I just wish I had more time on her to dial her in. Not having to do any repairs will go a long way towards helping me get setup for the next race on March 13.
Thanks for the great input Konrad.

Previously I had no idea that the V-Tail angle was so sensitive. Looks like you are really getting to know the model though.

Cheers,

Doc.
 
I'm not sure it really is that critical. But you have warned me about the loss of elevator response as the the angle approaches 90°. I'm not sure if that is what I'm seeing with the wide turns. I suspect not as I have full (solid control) at low speeds on landing. I suspect it is just trying to find the right balance between Snap Flap and elevator input. This is the same problem with the cruciform tail. So nothing new there. Now I will be keeping a close eye on this new Redshift build as it has an even more acute angle of 97° to 96°.

Now if all goes well I will have 3 flyable Redshifts by the end of the month. The used purchase with its 99° V-tail. This new purchase with 96° V-tail.. And the glass prototype with its 104° V-tail. All three have the V-tail flip. This should give me a good sample size to see if there really is anything to be gained with the added vertical area on a V-tail.

Now I was racing with a lot of national if not world class fliers. Many with Freestylers 3 through Freestyler 6 ships. Some flew real smooth with no wiggle others had the wiggle. So I'm not sure how much of this was setup, pilot stye or design limitation.
 
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Well that didn’t last long! I severely damaged this ship on the 7th flight. This is what I get trying to race untried models.
I had the rear ballast stop break free allowing for 620 grams of ballast to move aft 35mm or more. As a result I crashed into the backside or the SloT (rear rotor). I will have to dig into the fuse to find the loose rear stop. I’m not looking forward to that! I’ll also need to rehinge the ailerons as they tore off in the shock of impact. Now you might see that the nose cone performed just like the first Redshift in that Zhou did NOT use any glass fibers or any fibers for the nose bulb!

@Doc James Hammond I’m not doing you any favors championing the Redshift! I really need to get some sport flying on these Redshifts if I hope to get any success with them in F3F racing. But I think I have now addressed the design issues with the V-tail.

But I will say the 96° V-tail is a whole lot more stable than the 104° V-tail. Dare I say that at 96° the Redshift is as stable in yaw if not more stable than most other ships I saw last Sunday. I can also say the the elevator response was more than adequate as I had good control at very slow speeds milking the thermals on the maiden flight. I also had great elevator power to make high speed turns ALA F3F turns at weight!

I’m going to have to put this on the back burner while I’m in Denver. But when I get back in the Bay Area I think I’ll have to bring the Glass light weight Redshift up to the new 96° standard. Then try to see if I can repair this Redshift.

Any news of delivery dates for the replacement?
 
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