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PRANDTL lift distribution as it relates to flying wings.

Red

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Hey All,

Wayne asked for some info on the PRANDTL wings and suggested I start a new thread, so here it is.

Ludwig Prandtl was a German fluid dynamicist who was the first to create a tool (equation) to predict the performance of a wing in 1919. Dubbed Lifting Line Theory, he correctly predicted down wash and wing tip vortices (he called them Vortex ribbons) among other things. Lifting Line Theory states in part that the most efficient way for a wing to produce lift is with an elliptical lift distribution. This means that the wing should create the most lift at its center, tapering off in the shape of a 1/4 ellipse to nothing at the tip. This is the standard theory taught to all aero students around the world to this day. This creates a discontinuity at the tip however where the high and low pressures mix creating wing tip vortices. This is why you see modern airliners and high performance sailplanes with a winglet (a NASA invention BTW) to extract some of the wasted energy left in the wake. The elliptical lift distribution concept remains the most efficient if you don't hold structural weight constant.

Later in about 1933, Prandtl once again posited another theory. If you held structural weight and root bending moment as constants, is there an alternate left distribution that yields lower induced drag? Turns out that there is. It is often referred to as a non-elliptical lift distribution but is more commonly know as bell shaped lift distribution or BSLD for shot. He published his theory in a German soaring magazine. It was never officially translated into English, and largely forgotten by most in the aerodynamics world. Some of the advantages are approximately 11% reduction in induced drag (for 22% greater span) , same root bending strain and perhaps most advantages to us flying wing guys, it generates proverse yaw instead of adverse yaw. This is because of the unique downwash behind the wing. With elliptical (ESLD) you strive for even downwash behind the wing. With BSLD, this downwash becomes up wash at a point about 70% semi span. So when an aileron (elevon) is depressed for a roll control, it deflects downward into up wash, reducing drag and producing proverse yaw. Normally a downside aileron is in downwash, increasing drag and adverse yaw. This also means that you retain roll control during and after a stall event, and greatly reduces spin tendencies via the unloaded tips. Most airplanes have vertical tails (thanks to the Wright Brothers btw) to control adverse yaw. Ever seen a bird with a vertical tail? We are certain this is how birds produce lift as well. There has been over 22 years of research on BSLD by Al Bowers (and many others) Chief Scientist (Ret.) at NASA Armstrong Flight Research Center. This has resulted in two technical papers (linked below) as well as reams of supporting unpublished data.

The above is a very simple paraphrasing of a very complex idea. Please read the papers for a complete explanation including the supporting math and data.

I'm happy to answer as many questions as I can. I have built and flown all but 1 of the research vehicles. The very first one was built when I arrived at NASA, I did however get to repair it and enjoy many successful flights including the first ever data collected to support proverse yaw. These include (2) 12.5' span, (2) 25' span, 35+ others varying from 34" down to 13" span Mars exploratory prototypes. There has also been a full scale man carrying glider version built and flown.

On Wings of Minimum Induced Drag: Spanload Implications for Aircraft and Birds

Experimental Validation of the Prandtl 1933 Bell Spanload

More info:

Flight footage of the full scale early towed flights




Cheers
Red
 

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Thanks!

I'll have to read up on this a bit more to get a better understanding.

What happens if I roll one of these wings inverted and hold it there?
 
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Good question. I suspect things get ugly. I have looped and rolled them, but have not tried sustained inverted. The proverse yaw for sure relies on positive G.

Red
 
When I first read up on these a few years ago I had assumed there would be a large drag penalty as I thought it was mostly blended airfoils and wing twist. I'll see if I can dive in a little deeper in the next few nights and get a better understanding.
 
I can tell you for certain they are quite efficient. I have been using his ideas on my wings for many years.

I started shaping my wings this way based on my twisted logic and then a friend told me about Prandtl's work. I then started digging into his work. The math is beyond my understanding but I can wrap my brain around the physical properties.
 
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The essence of the concept is that instead of relying on purely "primary lift" (my term) created by the downwashing wing (elliptical etc.), the wing tips essentially "surf" on the vortices' upwash, creating a form of "secondary lift". Instead of lift-induced drag, this actually generates some thrust (negative AoA at the wingtips being pushed by upwash), so for the same lift, there's less drag. This does depend on speed, wing shape, AoA, wing loading, etc. as it depends on the wing vortices.
 
It hurt my brain to read thru the documents last year lol. I did make up some cutting files for this for martins cnc but havent done it yet.

Since it has 20 changes in twist i decided to save myself a lot of time in shaping foam and make each section 2" thick (50mm) as that is the thickness of foam i have access to. So that makes it 80"/2m wingspan in total. The look of that twist coming at you is so crazy, that was my main draw in wanting to get one of these designed up for our slope event. I tried to get a look at it in the first picture from the wingtip view.

There will definately be some "fiddling" around trying to get all 40 of these sections aligned parallel to the table, but i think i can fix most of that by desiging in a common thickness of foam on the bottom bed so they lay flat on my workbench.
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I am sure some will scoff and say "No Way" but i can do this by eye and feel. I have been a high end wood worker including bowl turner for over 30 years so maybe that has helped. I have been building my wings this way for more than five years and everyone who has even flown one of my planes is stunned by how they fly. As evidence I offer the video I posted of my new 3M Mistress. Look at how it flies, how it carves the turns, it has no rudder!!

When I started using this method for shaping my wings I was looking for a way to keep my inside wing tip from stalling in a tight turn. There is of course a trade off or maybe adjustment is a better word. A rudder CANNOT be used in conjunction with the ailerons on my wings. I am not sure if this true of all Prandtl wings but with mine the rudder will not work with the ailerons. We have tried all levels of mixing and in every case the results were quite negative. Along with this we have found that unlike many larger sailplanes these wings do not like having the flaps mixed into the ailerons in turns.

The other benefit we are seeing is how these wings respond to deep camber settings. I can drop a lot of camber even in a light thermal and as long as I keep my speed up by keeping my turns tight the plane will climb at at an amazing rate. I was doing this last week but did not get a video. My flying buddies were stunned.
 
As to power planes, in the late 90’s I tried the bell distribution curve on my conventional layout F3D pylon racers. I was using some ideas I gathered from my reading of the Horten brothers. I was trying to cut down on the rear stabilizer (vertical and horizontal) drag. I have to admit I wasn’t fully aware of the implications of the tip vortex to lighten the structure.

I found that in pylon racing I actually had higher pilot load as the ailerons exhibited pro-verse yaw, resulting in a nose tuck. Just what I didn’t want 3 meters above the ground! (Later I learned that I could control some of this with right thrust, as in knife edge right thrust is up thrust.)

Another lesson was that with the bell curve that the ailerons should be a lot smaller for any given roll authority. A second benefit to this is a stiffer TE and lower drag from the smaller hinge line.
I found that using the foam bed distortion method used by the Malian brothers to cut and sheet foam wing cores worked great.
 
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Konrad my friend, You perfectly described the problem with adding rudder to the ailerons with my models. You finding the same issue serves to confirm my theories.

When we added rudder in one direction the nose would tuck badly and if we added it in the reverse direction the plane would fight the turn in a horrible way.

One of these days I am going to build one with a tiny little stab to see how it flies. Mine are razor thin to decrease drag but getting rid of it completely would be interesting

Keep exploring and designing my friend
 
Was just talking with a customer today about using this style wing on a thermal ship and reducing or removing the vertical. Would be interesting if it could be done and done well.
 
I imagine it could be done. The amount of twist depends on design CL, so as long as that's kept as a constraint should be all good.
 
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Was just talking with a customer today about using this style wing on a thermal ship and reducing or removing the vertical. Would be interesting if it could be done and done well.
I will try it at some point, it would be relatively simple for me to make a stubby little one to test.
 
Wandering through old threads, I wonder how much this effect influences the performance of the Carbon Falcon? Lacking "wingtip devices", it seems to me that any yaw coupling would be fairly easy to spot.
 
Speaking on the Carbon Falcon - We don't have very good video footage yet thanks to the weather we have had all winter. But the Falcon when setup to our recommended settings is like no other flying wing without any vertical fins. I will not say the Falcon is a fast flying plane, it is a single surface fabric design that is very much designed to be a FUN parkflyer with HIGH portability. It has plenty of drag in it's design to accomplish this mission.

I have found the Falcon design to be very interesting. Especially when we started trying to make small improvements over the original design. The amount of trail and error that went into the original design is very clear when you try to make changes to it. Ken really did find the balance of properties with his design.

The key to the Carbon Falcon is washout. This plane has a lot of washout, and this is what gives it such strong yaw stability. Sure it pretty much removes the stall from the airframe, but the yaw stability due to the sweep and washout is no joke. You can only overcome these effects by having too much throw on the wing tips. This is basically removing the washout via overcontrol. Due this and you can have some interesting handling from the plane. It can be used for snaps, etc. But it might also fall out of the sky after entering a deep stall. We are talking about massive throws to get into this situation. The plane with our suggested setup in the manual will already pull loops that are VERY tight, and a roll rate that is pretty darn crazy considering we are not going super fast.

Setup poorly the Falcon will fly horribly, just like any other model. Setup correctly it is very rewarding. I think it is an excellent traveling companion as it can be rolled up like a kite, and setup in about the same time as a kite.

Sorry, I got a little sale pitchy there.. I do think it is an interesting aerodynamic approach.
 
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