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Pirat 1.5m slope (Blejzyk)

Konrad

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Anybody have any experiance with this model? Looking at the discription it looks like it might be a 4 channel ship. But to my eye that dihedral looks more like a 2 channel ship. I like the idea of keeping the wing and the stab off the rocks when landing.
 
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Konrad,

I thought the same thing but looking at pics of the full size it has the same polyhedral. The price looks good enough to check it out. Might be able to add ailerons easy enough.

Hank
 
Hank, Welcome.

Yep, the full size does have the flat center section. I hope the Blejzyk kit has the "hard points" to add ailerons. It just looks to me that the picture has more dihedral than what normally one sees for aileron ships. But as noted the sales write up does say the model takes 4 servos.

BTW; I do like the build quality of the Blejzyk line of gliders.
 
This is a neat little plane. Just opened one up to confirm, and they do have ailerons, elevator and rudder surfaces. :)
 
Wayne,

Thanks for looking and making the confirmation. I'm really tempted to get one but might have to wait till my birthday.

Hank
 
Wayne, thanks for looking into this. It looks like as a 4 channel ship she is a good value. Most other ship are 1.5 time more, and not sacle.
 
Some one has flown one ? , need to know if its the "pritty with scale wing tips " that tend to tipstall easily
 
Looked at blejzyks webpage and there is no plan (sketch) of building (unlike the other models) , only the instruction manual int Polish !
Does it come with plan ? , can some one post the plan and/or the instructions in english ?
Yo know : Center of gravity , deflections , angles of atack of the wing , etc are important things to know
 
I haven't flown one, but per the instruction the CofG is 40mm back from the leading edge. In the absents of any set up information, I set up my gliders so that I get about 15° downward movement in the aileron, 30° to 35° upward movement with my dual rate set at 60% of these values. Elevator setting are usually set at 20° to 25° with the dual rate set at 75%. Rudder is set at 45° or as much as I can get. Angle of incidences is set by the fuselage.

Adjust as needed after test flights.

I'm not aware of that wing tip design being particularly tipsy.

It looks like this might be a great opportunity for you to do a build thread. The only snag I see is in the actuation of the elevator. Actually this is often dependent of one personal preference. With all the great 6gram servos with metal gears available from Aloft Hobbies I'd go with a servo in the tail, with some foam fill at the base of the fin to fuselage junction.

If flying slope I'd look into setting up the ailerons as spoilerons (2 servos for the ailerons)

I like these with the use of a 2 cell LiFe battery.

I'd look at these with 4 or 5 cell NiMh batteries.
 
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From Google translate:

Model RC Pirat 1.5M
I warmly welcome and congratulate you on your choice. I hope that the product of our company will give you full satisfaction and satisfaction in moments spent in the air as well as when assembling the set. At the beginning, my request to treat this manual only as a guide, all your own solutions or ideas are very welcome, and even indicated.
Let's remember about four principles - which in our opinion - will allow you to achieve full success and satisfaction with the model you have just acquired:
- before proceeding to assembly, carefully read the instructions and
auxiliary drawings
  • check the exact fit of the elements before gluing
  • all glued surfaces must be pre-matted, ie polished
sandpaper (grain thickness about 240) - this applies mainly to sticking plywood in the hull, laminating the tow ball, pasting the inner nose into the main part of the hull
- pay attention to the aesthetics, clean and nicely made model combined with good volatile properties will give you full satisfaction in use

WING
At the beginning, we slightly crush (about 1mm) polystyrene under the veneer cover around the whole perimeter of the profile - which will ensure better bonding of both parts after gluing.
Then we place the center-plane on a flat surface and glue the two ends at a height of 62mm. At this stage of assembly, it is convenient and practical to use an epoxy adhesive as bonding agent with a setting time of approx. 5 minutes.
All connection points of individual parts of the wing are reinforced from the top and bottom by strips of glass fabric. Due to the good penetration ability, it is advisable to use an epoxy adhesive with a long bonding time - which will guarantee the best durability of the joint.
Next, we drill two Ø4mm holes for bolts securing the panel to the hull. After thoroughly drying the epoxy resin, we grind the whole piece (240 grain sandpaper) - including the places where the fabric was glued. At this stage, care should be taken not to wipe the fabric directly at the connection point of individual elements. After these treatments, the flap is prepared to be covered with an impregnation that protects the wood from moisture. Prime the primed wings with paper (preferably with 1000 grit), preparing for the final varnishing with a clear or colored varnish. Personally, we use wood impregnation based on nitro diluent or spirit, and varnish - semi-matt, synthetic origin with a UV filter.
fin
Horizontal stabilizer is ready - it is enough to polish, impregnate and varnish.
The vertical stabilizer is covered with Japanese paper or the Oracover Film cover foil. Then attach it to the hull using a self-adhesive tape.

FUSELAGE
We glue the plywood in the winged part of the hull in places where the fastening screws will pass. According to pre-prepared holes φ 4mm in the panel - drill the holes in the hull properly. Then, drill holes in the hull to a dimension of φ 5.5mm.
Drill the holes from the bottom of the drilled holes and secure them with cyanoacrylate adhesive.
Fixing the horizontal stabilizer can be done: fixed (ballast permanently glued) or with the possibility of disassembly (ballast screwed with M3 bolt)
If we decided to screw it on - in the tail part of the hull (on the top of the vertical stabilizer), drill holes φ3mm according to the holes in the horizontal stabilizer and paste the nuts. The tail section of the hull is glued with a balsa block. We put the chassis on the φ2mm axis from the center to the hull and glue the ends on both sides with poplar boards to the fuselage (optionally we also laminate with glass fabric)

EQUIPMENT
We install the equipment in accordance with the drawing, please pay attention to the bowden fixing of the servo and the ballast. Bowden driving the aileron of the horizontal stabilizer should be attached to the hull in several places (especially on the bow), to avoid flex on the drive.

FLIGHT
For the first flights the model is pre-balanced so that the center of gravity is at a distance of 40mm from the leading edge of the airfoil.
In order to adapt the model to your own style of piloting or other external conditions, we provide proven ways to change the angle of wedging of the wings relative to the fin: To increase the wedge angle - different thickness of the washer under the tail flow or in the case of a static stabilizer - different thickness of the underlay.
To reduce the wedging angle - different thicknesses of the washer under the attack of the tail or under the flow of the airfoil.
When changing the angle of wedging, remember to compensate for the change in its characteristics by appropriate changes in the balance. For larger wedging angles, the center of gravity should be moved forward, for the smaller angles to the rear, so that the model tends to have a sliding flight.
All comments, observations and questions are welcome
 
HI , the flying experience with this presize model is the most valuable for me, specialy to know its a "well behaved " glider. Had not found any phorum where some pilot had tested it before.
You are right about the direct servo in the tail , googled before asking here and found https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?694351-SZD-30-Pirat-Colour-Schemes
Have some Emax ES3302 metall gear Thin Servos for the ailerons ,and a normal 9 gram servo for the ruder (pull-pull) but Im doupting of the servo that goes directly in the tail for the elevator -
Maybe an emax es3301 (plastic gears) thin servo is an overkill but a 5 gram one like the
Emax ES9051 (plastic gears) with less than half of the weitght but allso less than half of the torque is going to be "just too little " and the elevator is the only servo that cant fail (no rudder or one aileron servo less is no problem), so maybe Il try a KS HD 47MG Servo there ,
Or who knows if 3 of these (ailerons to) and the normal 9 gram for the rudder .

Thanks !! ,
 
I have not see a build thread on this glider but I’ve seen references to it twice on RCG both times the reference is positive. No one says it tips stalls. I’m planning on getting one but not for a month or so.

Hank
 
I was at Aloft Hobbies getting a plethora of stuff. I decided to test Aloft's combo deal discount. And much to my surprise the discount one gets buying both a glider and support stuff paid off. I had so much stuff in my shopping cart that the discount effectively paid for half the price of the glider. The glide I chose was this Blejzyk Pirat.

Wow, she is a small ship. The wing area with the narrow chord is small. I love the finish on the wings. Even on this small a wing the ailerons go into aileron pockets, just like some of the higher dollar moulded sailplanes!

I think the wing tip are not scale. I'll need to do some web searches to see what if any variation there is on the wing tip shape with the full size Pirat.

Now the rudder is NOT of a built up "stick and tissue" construction. It is of a very light hollow balsa sheet type construction. Mine weighs less than 5 grams out of the bag.

On the subject of packing I really like all the baffles used to keep all the parts in place and safe during shipping.

My fuselage with canopy is a light 102 grams. This is typical of Blejzyk models. Now what isn't typical of Blejzyk models is that the center line is a bit rough with more than the usual flashing. Also the white gel coat on my fuselage is failing (chipped, pealing). This isn't an issue for me as I was planning to paint my fuselage.

So far the only issue I've come across is how to install the wheel. I can't find any mention of how the wheel is installed on the Blejzyk models web site. Even the down load section offers no help here.
 
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Interesting about about the fuselage issues. I know were were not able to order them for a while as he was reworking the tooling for the fuselages. We did have an early batch of planes with some sub par gel coat, I wonder if your plane dates back to that period? It is possible.

For the wheel, not sure. I can ast Artur what he does. I need to contact him anyway.
 
My box was covered in a lot of dust. I thought it might have been from the remodeling but it might have been a function of time. This gel coat issue isn't a problem for me as I was going to paint my fuselage. But yes it looks like the gel coat cured before the glass lay up was laid down.

As to the wheel, I always like to learn what the OEM had planned, on the rare occasion that it is better than what I'm dreaming up.
 
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Ref. photos.
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2023
2024
 
Dust is from the drywall work. The boxed gliders were pretty close by when we started making dust. :(
 
I'm hoping that any quality issues have been addressed with new tooling. And that what I have is a kit that is new old stock.
 
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Konrad,

Cool you bought a Pirat kit. I hope to start mine soon. My fuse doesn’t have the same gel coat issues. I’ll be interested to see you progress.

Hank
 
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