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New Typhoon MkII
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Hill Hobbit
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Hey guys, how’s about taking any further discussion about the Forza over to the Stormbird 2.5 thread?
Konrad
Very Strong User
LOL,Quote: I too have had issues with Aeroic nomanclature, I think we all do.
Thats because The King's English is not your native language, Konrad. You speak 'Mercan.
But me?...hot damn, I not only do speak the Kings English, but I'm also phenomenally gifted at spelling and grammar, and my diction is...well Byronic...and if you believe that, well...
I like nomanclature a lot - is it similar to nomansland, or possibly an ancient term for an unmarried male?
You never cease to amaze me...
Doc.
I fear I don't even type American or any other dialect. Some might notice that 90% of my post show "Last edited xxxx". This is because when I come back the next day I ask myself, what the heck was I trying to say. As what I see on the screen was unintelligible, even to me. Luckily this isn't an English literature forum!
Regardless, the nomenclature used by Aeroic, often makes it difficult to discuss the Aeroic products when on the hill. I try to use the Aeroic names to differentiate between the Aeroic OEM's (Zhou and Frank).
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Konrad
Very Strong User
@Doc J nice manual. I'd like to ask that in the next revision that my name be removed. The information (photos) are fine I just don't want my name associated with Aeroic, especially since I wasn't paid, or even asked about their use.Noooo....anything but that...why not call if "Fluffy"
Crikey I'll have to really write the instructions now...
And...as if by Magic...I did.
Doc...
All the best,
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Konrad
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I'm getting great service from the use of 8mm thick servos in my real Schwing Corsa 108 (2.7m) and F3F (3m) racers. I'm partial to the KST HS08a servo as the gears really are a class above the other 8mm servos.
I'd like to see Aeroic supply their models with the wide jelly bean servo cover to address the Servorahmen IDS arms. While there is some debate as the suitability of the classic clevis and wire rod use with modern molded sloper. Most agree that the external servo output shaft bearing support is almost a requirement.
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Doc J
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I'm very happy to change the pic, and credit, Konrad.
I don't want the Aeroic name associated with you either.
Doc.
Konrad
Very Strong User
No, don't change the photo and give me credit for the changed photo. I'm fine with leaving the photo, as I think the information in the photo is fine and helpful to anybody trying to add a ballast tube to their model. We both want the Aeroic customer to get the most from their purchase.I'm very happy to change the pic, and credit, Konrad.
I don't want the Aeroic name associated with you either.
Doc.
JJ Colorado
Very Strong User
Well I'm going to have a bit more delay in building my Forza, as when the box arrived today I opened it up to find a Corsa S !!! ? Right color, but wrong glider. Just hope they still have a Forza in Yellow Checkers left, but can't figure out how it got mixed up as the parts are all nicely tagged Corsa S 02. Hopefully this will get cleared up soon.
Once a Forza does arrive, I have KST X10 Minis for flaps, and HS08s for ailerons and tail servos. Like the HS08s for their weight, torque and gear train.
Once a Forza does arrive, I have KST X10 Minis for flaps, and HS08s for ailerons and tail servos. Like the HS08s for their weight, torque and gear train.
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Konrad
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As the price is about $10 different you might want to think about having a Corsa rather than the Forza. I have a Schwing Corsa 2.7 meter (108") and after a bit of redesign, I have to admit it is my favorite sport ship.
I like that the wing tips are a bit further apart, making the ship a bit more efficient. The only down side of the Corsa, design wise is that it has a bit smaller wing area. This with the wider span means the Corsa has a higher aspect ratio wing. This results in a glider that will turn harder and not loose as much speed doing so. This will be the bee's knees in all but the lightest lift. As you have the Magnum for the lighter lift days (not that the Magnum is a light air ship) I think having the wider performance spread will actually result in you having more fun between both ships.
The modern Corsa is a step up from the one I have as it is much easier to place both HS08a servos in the tail. Give the Corsa some thought before returning it. I think this is actually a blessing in disguise.
I like that the wing tips are a bit further apart, making the ship a bit more efficient. The only down side of the Corsa, design wise is that it has a bit smaller wing area. This with the wider span means the Corsa has a higher aspect ratio wing. This results in a glider that will turn harder and not loose as much speed doing so. This will be the bee's knees in all but the lightest lift. As you have the Magnum for the lighter lift days (not that the Magnum is a light air ship) I think having the wider performance spread will actually result in you having more fun between both ships.
The modern Corsa is a step up from the one I have as it is much easier to place both HS08a servos in the tail. Give the Corsa some thought before returning it. I think this is actually a blessing in disguise.
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JJ Colorado
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For my flying needs, the Forza is better than a Corsa (much lighter wing loading). The reason I'm even on this particular thread (Typhoon MkII) is because I would like a 2M wing that is a durable, portable, fast all arounder that can work light wind conditions and is easy to land in tight spaces between trees and hang gliders.
It is a matter of the right glider for the flying conditions. For sloping, I generally fly foamies but the performance is limited, especially on days that may become "blown out" for paragliding or hang gliding. The Magnus is going to be a good fit, but some days might warrant a wing that can carve up more of the sky, yet still get back and land in a tight area when we get a 30 minute lull with almost zero wind. It is no fun watching your glider sink down the face of a steep rocky slope until a tip catches a rock and spins it in. Ability to work light lift is mandatory.
I'm sure the Typhoon MkII will fly great, but the Forza is available now and hopefully the extra wingspan won't clip a tree (or HG) on landing. I'm also relying on the good sized flaps to be able to slow it down a lot. The Forza is a better match for my particular flying sites than a Corsa.
I agree with Doc regarding flying vs building. If I win the lottery I'd have Lenny building all my RC gliders.
But we are way off topic. Please just keep us posted on the Typhoon MkII.
Konrad
Very Strong User
You must have a better set of eyes than me if the 0.25 m difference would have any effect on threading the needle in the landing zone.
For when I fly at sites like you describe I like to throw out my Multiplex Heron of Lentus. These are much more durable that the glass slipper with surprising little loss in performance on the lower end of the speed spectrum.
As you said you fly foamies, I have to ask, have you any experience setting up full camber wings and the use of crow/butterfly? I find these radio set ups open up a whole lot of possibility in both the front side flying and in the landing zone.
I'm actually surprised at just how light a breeze I need to keep the Schwing Corsa 108 flying. The high aspect wing and the very narrow fuselage means it can extract a lot of speed to maintain lift from rather light slope conditions as the drag profile is so low. It's no DLG light weight but it will hang in there with all but the lightest gas bag models.
Just some food for thought.
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JJ Colorado
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A bit of background. I've been flying RC since I bought a Blue Max TX kit and soldered it together. Flown and competed in many RC disciplines over decades, and have been flying F3RES
and F5J for the last several years with Rocky Mountain Soaring Assn. (RMSA).
Slopers are realtively easy compared to F5J setups (fewer flight modes). They are also a lot of fun and a challenge in their own way. When conditions aren't right for flying a HG or a PG, rather than sit and wait, I enjoy working the air with an RC slope plane. A foamy combat plane, my Moth, Gulp DS2, or an Ahi can be fun, but the crunchies just fly better even if the landing terrain is relatively hostile. Some of these gliders are just so slick that I'm willing to risk flying a mouldy just to carve great arcs in the sky. I've recently flown a Hammer at some of our sites and liked it, but knew a good moulded glider would have excelled where the Hammer was, ok. I'm looking for more than ok performance but want to keep the landing stress low in the highly variable winds we get here in CO.
and F5J for the last several years with Rocky Mountain Soaring Assn. (RMSA).
Slopers are realtively easy compared to F5J setups (fewer flight modes). They are also a lot of fun and a challenge in their own way. When conditions aren't right for flying a HG or a PG, rather than sit and wait, I enjoy working the air with an RC slope plane. A foamy combat plane, my Moth, Gulp DS2, or an Ahi can be fun, but the crunchies just fly better even if the landing terrain is relatively hostile. Some of these gliders are just so slick that I'm willing to risk flying a mouldy just to carve great arcs in the sky. I've recently flown a Hammer at some of our sites and liked it, but knew a good moulded glider would have excelled where the Hammer was, ok. I'm looking for more than ok performance but want to keep the landing stress low in the highly variable winds we get here in CO.
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JJ Colorado
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Rocky Mountain Soaring Association (RMSA), Stiff competition for F5J. 2023 Nats F5J places 1, 2 ,3, 5, 9, 13 out of a field of 45 competitors.
Club focus is TD: F5J, F3K, F3RES. But some of us fly slope, and other aircraft as well. Great pilots and resources to learn from and continue to improve.
Hill Hobbit
Very Strong User
JJ, good to hear that you’ll be accustomed to flight modes and using crow to land.
Doc J
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I think the Forza does those things well so for you its probebly a great choice. With the smaller wingspan Its slightly more manoeverable than the Corsa, but its stll a pussycat to land. I put the nose into the slope, flaps down and use the flaps and ailerons to 'helicopter' the model in. It likes it!
The Forza actually has a really good speed range. Its no Gentle Lady but it will still flying light conditons, but if it blows it can really move.
Will do JJ.
Doc.
JJ Colorado
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Twenty years ago I used to use crow on my then 64 ounce light F3J glider. Those wings needed to be strong (heavy) back then to handle winch launches.
For F5J I don't use crow as it simply isn't needed with those ginormous flaps and 5oz per square foot wing loading, but I do set up crow for slope planes, especially at the high density altitudes that I typically fly at.
For F5J I don't use crow as it simply isn't needed with those ginormous flaps and 5oz per square foot wing loading, but I do set up crow for slope planes, especially at the high density altitudes that I typically fly at.
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Konrad
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I recall that 20 or 25 years ago when I flew a few F3J events it was a 2 man tow event. F3B was the event with the killer winches. I just came back from flying in Evergreen Colo.(8K ft) and can report that the air down here at sea level is like flying in syrup. I almost never overshoot the landing zone. At altitude the ship usually just whiz by as there is no air to slow down the glider.
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Konrad
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Yep, my club has many national champion and world class F3F pilots. It is a very humbling and exciting experiance to fly with these guys. It is my job to make these guys look good by filling out the lower standings at the contests
JJ Colorado
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Perhaps it was F3B. It was quite a while ago. When you fly with great pilots you get better. Not that they aren't going to still win, but last F5J contest I managed to get 91% of the winning score. That put me middle of the pack, but I was happy to be there, and most importantly, we all had fun.
"I just came back from flying in Evergreen Colo.(8K ft) and can report that the air down here at sea level is like flying in syrup. I almost never over shoot the landing zone. At altitude the ship usually just whiz by as there is no air to slow down the glider."
I fly near Evergreen a lot (Golden, CO), primarily HG, and often one of my slope foamies. Particularly fun with my 48" Moth.
While I won't be flying a Forza there, you observations about whizzing by with no air to slow down the glider is why I prefer the Forza to a Corsa for flying in Colorado. The lighter wing loading and larger wing area will allow me to slow it down to something reasonable. If the winds are strong or I fly someplace with meaty, thick air, then I can always add ballast.
"I just came back from flying in Evergreen Colo.(8K ft) and can report that the air down here at sea level is like flying in syrup. I almost never over shoot the landing zone. At altitude the ship usually just whiz by as there is no air to slow down the glider."
I fly near Evergreen a lot (Golden, CO), primarily HG, and often one of my slope foamies. Particularly fun with my 48" Moth.
While I won't be flying a Forza there, you observations about whizzing by with no air to slow down the glider is why I prefer the Forza to a Corsa for flying in Colorado. The lighter wing loading and larger wing area will allow me to slow it down to something reasonable. If the winds are strong or I fly someplace with meaty, thick air, then I can always add ballast.
