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How should we handle bad postings here? - Please vote -

When things heat up here and go off topic, should we delete the offending posts or leave them?

  • Delete the problem posts.

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Leave them, it is part of the community.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other - I'll explain in a reply to this.

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • Total voters
    16
Wayne

Wayne

Administrator
Staff member
Every now and then we have someone go off their rocker and disrupt things around here. In the past I have attempted to delete the offending messages, but sometimes this can get messy with some responding to the trash, and then maybe posting new content too. I really do not like to edit anyone's postings. Som sometimes there is a trail left of the damage.

This has me wondering if I should not delete the postings, and simply leave them instead.. I see this approach on some other forums. Leave the dirty laundry out for all to read.

What do you think would be better here?

My process has been to delete the junk so other folks don't waste their time reading the off topic junk. But perhaps this damaged the community we are building here?

p.s. We will always delete SPAM. This is about normal users going off the rails and causing issues.
 
Delete the worst of it and give them a week or two suspension. If they persist then give a longer suspension or ban for a longer period of time perhaps even permanently. You are incredibly patient and understanding with people Wayne. I think that’s what makes this forum great along with the close community here. Don’t let people crap where you work and live…I think the ignore feature has been used to good effect as well.
 
I feel like for future people it would be better to have them removed. If i came to this thread in the future i would probably immediately stop reading it to avoid the arguing. I dont know the solution to it looking disjointed as something will obviously be missing though. Maybe something above the first post that says this thread has been modified by the admin to remove unwanted posts or smoothing?
 
If the post(s) are in violation of the stated posting guidelines (offensive, derogatory, inflammatory, inappropriate) delete it.

If the post is controversial, counter to excepted community opinion, let it stand. This will maintain continuity in the following post. It will allow the community to follow along and make their own opinion about the subject or points that some (you) might not agree with.

Leave it up to the individual forum member to edit the content they wish to view. This site has a good ignore feature. Let the membership use it to their benefit or loss.

Ideas and how one thinks is not or should not be tied to a popularity contest.
 
I don't necessarily mind you removing the posts, but it does sometimes make things feel a bit disjointed. It is what it is I guess. Offensive posts should be removed.

I look at this place a community. When a poster(s) goes off the rails, it effects us all. Bad behavior is bad for the community and your bottom line. When there is a poster who continually "bullies" (<- not the right word but it's all I have at the moment) folks, belabors any point contrary to their own, demands people post in a certain way and generally behaves poorly it reflects on the community. They may be trying to help, but behavior like that stifles conversation, participation and contrary opinions. I have been told by more than one person that I have invited here that they feel unwelcome because of some of this and choose to simply not participate. Others may not speak up to someone who always has to be the loudest voice in the room, but I am not intimidated.

I also acknowledge my part in this, but something must be done. Its good for a while, then goes off the rails again. When this behavior isn't countered, it seems to be emboldened and becomes more frequent. I want the community to grow, not shrink because folks don't feel welcome. It has absolutely nothing to do with popularity, but the old saying "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" comes to mind. Vinegar drives people away.

This board does have a very useful ignore feature, but why make people find and use it? Doesn't that point to the exact problem? Again it's just excusing bad behavior.

Bottom line is it's your place, and I will respect your wishes.
 
Red said:
I don't necessarily mind you removing the posts, but it does sometimes make things feel a bit disjointed. It is what it is I guess. Offensive posts should be removed.

I look at this place a community. When a poster(s) goes off the rails, it effects us all. Bad behavior is bad for the community and your bottom line. When there is a poster who continually "bullies" (<- not the right word but it's all I have at the moment) folks, belabors any point contrary to their own, demands people post in a certain way and generally behaves poorly it reflects on the community. They may be trying to help, but behavior like that stifles conversation, participation and contrary opinions. I have been told by more than one person that I have invited here that they feel unwelcome because of some of this and choose to simply not participate. Others may not speak up to someone who always has to be the loudest voice in the room, but I am not intimidated.

I also acknowledge my part in this, but something must be done. Its good for a while, then goes off the rails again. When this behavior isn't countered, it seems to be emboldened and becomes more frequent. I want the community to grow, not shrink because folks don't feel welcome. It has absolutely nothing to do with popularity, but the old saying "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" comes to mind. Vinegar drives people away.

This board does have a very useful ignore feature, but why make people find and use it? Doesn't that point to the exact problem? Again it's just excusing bad behavior.

Bottom line is it's your place, and I will respect your wishes.
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Agree 100%
 
Off topic and offensive, delete the post.
On topic, leave it, or edit it if personally offensive, either by asking the offender to edit or admin can edit.

Myself, I can disregard an offensive post, as yet none have been directed at me personally, not sure how I would take it though.

The end response to an offensive post depends on the degree of offensiveness and the discretion of Admin.
 
Who are the people who make bad postings?

Me for one, and I readily admit that - but I also stress that I have done this ONLY when I have gone over my tolerance level in response to personal attacks on myself or my models by other on the public part of the forum - and you will note that there is no plural there. I have only been attacked, as far as I remember, on Aloft forums by one person.

Room? Elephant?

The object of the exercise for 99.999% of us who fly toy aeroplanes is to enjoy all of the facets of the model making and flying experience; and to have FUN in the doing of it, in the asking of it, and in the telling of it.

In my personal opinion If someone consistently upsets people, then warn them, if they continue, then inform them that the next time they do it they will be banned - so its their choice, If they choose to make the wrong choice, then ban them.

Doc.
 
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I have some very simple goals with this forum. They are: High Signal to Noise Ratio I'd like to see this forum be a helpful forum with a lot of useful content that is easy to find. Less jibber jabber. In general I'd say we hit this goal very well. Friendly I'd like users to support one...
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I'd like users to support one another and the hobby. Seems to be a lot of hate that runs around in other social media circles, we do not need that here. We are in the hobby for enjoyment and learning. We are not here to bicker. I want people to feel welcomed and valuable on this site!
 
Like my mom used to say, if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything.
I was trying to collect my thoughts on this over the past couple days and that paragraph @Wayne put in helped me solidify it.
I think thats a good thing to think about here in the forum. If you dont have something nice, encouraging, or helpful to say OR you cant say something nice, encouraging, or helpful in a kind way......dont post. You dont have to post a reply on everything in this forum.
 
thenated0g said:
Like my mom used to say, if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything.
I was trying to collect my thoughts on this over the past couple days and that paragraph @Wayne put in helped me solidify it.
I think thats a good thing to think about here in the forum. If you dont have something nice, encouraging, or helpful to say OR you cant say something nice, encouraging, or helpful in a kind way......dont post. You dont have to post a reply on everything in this forum.
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I completely agree. That very post from @Wayne was in response to the exact same thing happening with the exact same person. Disagreement is not bad at all, it actually brings about progress, It's the manner of it that matters. Persistent rudeness and being argumentative is just not enjoyable. try a little tact and have a sense of humor and back off when people tell you you are over the line.
 
Wayne said:
Every now and then we have someone go off their rocker and disrupt things around here. In the past I have attempted to delete the offending messages, but sometimes this can get messy with some responding to the trash, and then maybe posting new content too. I really do not like to edit anyone's postings. Som sometimes there is a trail left of the damage.

This has me wondering if I should not delete the postings, and simply leave them instead.. I see this approach on some other forums. Leave the dirty laundry out for all to read.

What do you think would be better here?

My process has been to delete the junk so other folks don't waste their time reading the off topic junk. But perhaps this damaged the community we are building here?

p.s. We will always delete SPAM. This is about normal users going off the rails and causing issues.
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Wayne,
I rarely frequent other sites as they are filled often with ascerbic comments with very little if any factual content. The Aloft forum is a shining example of the standard to which I believe other sites should aspire. I have learned a lot from reading posts from multiple contributors and posted occasionally when I thought I could offer help and greatly benefited from help from others. In fact, I often wish I could visit your store in person and enjoy flying with you and many of the individuals frequenting this forum.
I think you have struck the right balance in keeping the forum content regulated, although it must get tiresome at times to have to do so.
It did take me a while to sort out some of the occasional rants, and now I just ignore them.
Thanks for providing a wonderful platform for us to learn from each other!
Raymond
 
Wayne,

Editing and Censoring content is not an easy task. I go back and edit my posts for clarity and content most of the time. It allows me to make sure I’m being understood.

The nature of most threads seems to be that they are wide ranging and rambling conversations with the OP bringing things back to the original topic when needed. Many times I don’t post on a thread because the conversation had moved on from what I wanted to comment on. What @thenated0g said about not saying any thing nice don’t say anything at all is a very good guide. I also ask myself if a post I want to make is useful.

Of course mean or hateful rhetoric should be edited or deleted. Criticism is not supposed to be mean or hateful but, it can be difficult to express criticism with out it being taken as disparaging.

Right now there are more people posting a wide variety of builds on this forum and it makes for good content and a nice place to visit. I hope that all of us keep posting useful fun content then this topic won’t matter much.

Hank
(Who will come back and edit this post in a few hours)
 
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Thank you all. I have checked this thread many times to see how the vote was going, and read every single response and took them all to heart. I thought I might have a few folks that would vote not to delete.

I posted this question for concern that I may be upsetting the community with my methods. As always, if I should do anything that hurts the experience here, please do not hesitate to let me know. This is your community, I just do my best to keep it running smoothly.

For a while we had a member that tended to chase new folks away. It was very frustrating! I'm happy to say that is now a concern of the past, and I hope some folks that left will return. Just today I invited another glider designer to discuss their new design. I do hope he will join us here as he has a great wealth of information I think many of you will enjoy.

I am really proud of what we have built here. Thanks all!
 
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