So I was messing around with the first model I have up with my new X20. It's just an old foam mpx Heron but makes a great test bed for various things. With full crow brake deployed I noticed the right aileron did not have as much deflection as the left one so I went into the mixes to correct. That was my 1st mistake. This setting needs to be changed in CURVES, not mixes AFAIK The template I am using for this model is Mike Shellim's e-soar F5J with Lenny Keer's F5B mods added to it. I'm scrolling through all the mixes looking for anything that says right aileron and open them one by one and start spinning dials to change numbers while observing the right aileron. Nothing seemed to change the height of the right aileron. I tried another right aileron mix in the folder and highlighted a -100/+100 field and started spinning the dial looking for change.. Nothing happened but when I looked back at the radio, the whole page was going up and down and not the window with the value I was trying to change, I must have not highlighted that window. I backed out of that mixer and put the throttle stick up for zero crow brake and SURPRISE! both ailerons are now raised 20mm. So I go back to the mixers page and can't remember which mixer I was on to make this happen. I open all the right aileron mixes and start spinning dials again to no avail. I finally gave up and loaded my cloned model and deleted the one with the raised ailerons. Of course I had to re-bind but that was no biggie.. I started over and realized I needed to change the setting in CURVES for the right aileron. It would be nice if there was a "are you sure?" function you need to click on before changes happen in programming or better yet a "go back" feature where settings can be restored to a previous time before you screwed things up.
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Landru
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You know, I've wondered about the 'are you sure' function, too. I'm not an EthOS user, at least not yet. But the same scenario occurs in OpenTx.
In my my day job as a UX designer, I confront the 'commit changes' conundrum frequently. There's a school of thought that says, apply the changes immediately and let the user pick up the pieces. I get the feeling that fans of mobile devices are into that big time. Then there's another school that believes in immediate application with a chance to go back. Google may have pioneered the approach with their feedback messages such as, 'You just did something. Undo?' No doubt most of us are familiar with that from Gmail. And then there's old faithful, 'Are you sure?' It's a bit old school, I suppose, but it's also still very much in use even in very sophisticated applications such as Photoshop. Or, should I say, especially in such applications?
Most of my work colleagues are adherents of the apply the changes immediately school. Me, not so much. For that reason, I prefer to do almost all of my model programming on a PC before uploading it to the radio. That's possible in OpenTx, of course, but not yet in EthOS.
When you're working on the radio, the undo function is up to you and your biological memory. That ain't always great, especially if you're changing this and that and the other thing in a bunch of places. Perhaps there's a possibility to implement commit or undo type functionality on the radio. Given the limitations of radios compared to even a modest smartphone, I wonder.
In my my day job as a UX designer, I confront the 'commit changes' conundrum frequently. There's a school of thought that says, apply the changes immediately and let the user pick up the pieces. I get the feeling that fans of mobile devices are into that big time. Then there's another school that believes in immediate application with a chance to go back. Google may have pioneered the approach with their feedback messages such as, 'You just did something. Undo?' No doubt most of us are familiar with that from Gmail. And then there's old faithful, 'Are you sure?' It's a bit old school, I suppose, but it's also still very much in use even in very sophisticated applications such as Photoshop. Or, should I say, especially in such applications?
Most of my work colleagues are adherents of the apply the changes immediately school. Me, not so much. For that reason, I prefer to do almost all of my model programming on a PC before uploading it to the radio. That's possible in OpenTx, of course, but not yet in EthOS.
When you're working on the radio, the undo function is up to you and your biological memory. That ain't always great, especially if you're changing this and that and the other thing in a bunch of places. Perhaps there's a possibility to implement commit or undo type functionality on the radio. Given the limitations of radios compared to even a modest smartphone, I wonder.
@tic Did you follow Mike's calibration instructions? It doesn't sound like it. As to curves vs. mixes for adjusting, the curve for a particular mix can be gotten to via the mix page, however, with Mikes template, if you don't know it intimately, you probably won't be adjusting the right curve.
My day job is software development, and I have done a fair bit of mobile development. A paradigm there goes something like this. If I tap a button that brings shows a popup, there is generally and OK, or an OK/Cancel pair. A tap outside the popup is a Cancel. This allows an unwanted action to be easily cancelled. On Ethos, they don't do this, and one place that is quite annoying is in the Source area. Suppose you accidentally tap on a something which brings up a Source popup. There is no way to cancel that, so if you also accidentally touch anything and change the source, well, you best remember what was there.
I have brought this issue up on the Ethos GitHub issues page here: https://github.com/FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community/issues/1337
My day job is software development, and I have done a fair bit of mobile development. A paradigm there goes something like this. If I tap a button that brings shows a popup, there is generally and OK, or an OK/Cancel pair. A tap outside the popup is a Cancel. This allows an unwanted action to be easily cancelled. On Ethos, they don't do this, and one place that is quite annoying is in the Source area. Suppose you accidentally tap on a something which brings up a Source popup. There is no way to cancel that, so if you also accidentally touch anything and change the source, well, you best remember what was there.
I have brought this issue up on the Ethos GitHub issues page here: https://github.com/FrSkyRC/ETHOS-Feedback-Community/issues/1337
Txmustangflyer
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Frsky makes an assumption that we know what we're doing lol
Yep.. LOL.. I love it though and it will most likely be the base programming for all my sailplanes. Of course with cloning the models it's not a huge deal to start over if mistakes are made. I'm very careful with the logic switches as I don't understand many of them and honestly, I don't WANT to understand all of them. If I had absolutely nothing else to do I'd study the spreadsheet and figure it all out, or at least try. Even with my old Airtronics SD-10G I would always start my programming of a new model with the template of an existing one.
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