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Archer R4 with very short range

Gizmo6

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I have an Archer R4 with FW 2.1.14 that has terrible range in the air but seems ok when doing range check, I start getting RSSI low warnings @ 120 feet and RSSI critical @ 150 feet. Today the 2.4 dropped completely at less than 200 yards, fortunately the R9 mini maintained contact and I didn't have to rely on the flight controller to save the aircraft.
I am running the latest everything from ETHOS on a X20S just wondering if maybe there is a FW issue with some of the older Rxs and the newer Tx FW or its time to pitch this Rx.
 

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I have an Archer R4 with FW 2.1.14 that has terrible range in the air but seems ok when doing range check, I start getting RSSI low warnings @ 120 feet and RSSI critical @ 150 feet. Today the 2.4 dropped completely at less than 200 yards, fortunately the R9 mini maintained contact and I didn't have to rely on the flight controller to save the aircraft.
I am running the latest everything from ETHOS on a X20S just wondering if maybe there is a FW issue with some of the older Rxs and the newer Tx FW or its time to pitch this Rx.
So the first warning should have been at 15.22. How far from your radio was the model then. What settings value are the TX RSSI for 2.4g set to. Also how have you dressed the 2.4g antennas. Are they inside a carbon fus and away from batteries and any other hardware. The antennas should be mounted on oppersides of the fus and outside in free air. Are the ends of the antennas in good condition, there should be approx 32mm of un screened antennas to be considered in good condition.
 
I'd say HENNY is asking all the right questions about antenna setup.

Looking at the attached plot of VFR from the log file, I think those same questions apply to the setup of the 900MHz antennas, both on the model and on the transmitter.
  • The first dropout of the 2.4GHz link appears to have occurred just after 8:15:15.
  • The drop of 900MHz VFR to below 35% after 8:17 is also a concern.
  • The quality of both links is exceptionally bad for a maximum range of about 200 yards.

Another question I'd ask is about the firmware version on the R9 Mini. Personally, I wouldn't run any firmware that doesn't address the NFL loss of control bug. I couldn't find the R9 Mini listed on the FrSky Website. The R9 Mini OTA is listed but there is no firmware for the NFL bug fix.

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So the first warning should have been at 15.22. How far from your radio was the model then. What settings value are the TX RSSI for 2.4g set to. Also how have you dressed the 2.4g antennas. Are they inside a carbon fus and away from batteries and any other hardware. The antennas should be mounted on oppersides of the fus and outside in free air. Are the ends of the antennas in good condition, there should be approx 32mm of un screened antennas to be considered in good condition.
Distance when the 2.4 dropped was 250 to 300 yards, RSSI warnings are set to default values, model is 95% foam, only carbon is in the boom, 2.4 antenna are in plastic tubes and the 900 is mounted on the tail.

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I'd say HENNY is asking all the right questions about antenna setup.

Looking at the attached plot of VFR from the log file, I think those same questions apply to the setup of the 900MHz antennas, both on the model and on the transmitter.
  • The first dropout of the 2.4GHz link appears to have occurred just after 8:15:15.
  • The drop of 900MHz VFR to below 35% after 8:17 is also a concern.
  • The quality of both links is exceptionally bad for a maximum range of about 200 yards.

Another question I'd ask is about the firmware version on the R9 Mini. Personally, I wouldn't run any firmware that doesn't address the NFL loss of control bug. I couldn't find the R9 Mini listed on the FrSky Website. The R9 Mini OTA is listed but there is no firmware for the NFL bug fix.

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Sorry I forgot the OTA, Thank you for the NFL link, I was not aware of that. What telemetry display software are you using? I have been using a spread sheet but I would like something like you are using much better.
 
I am running the latest everything from ETHOS on a X20S

Have you had the back of the radio off? The reason I ask is that I've read that some pilots who've opened their X20 have inadvertently dislodged one or more of the internal antenna connectors. That situation would definitely have an adverse effect on RF performance.

Otherwise, the photo of the antenna arrangement in your model raises some other points in my mind:
  • The 2.4GHz antennas in the model are oriented more or less vertically. Unless I'm mistaken, both 2.4GHz antennas in the X20S are oriented horizontally. Such a difference in antenna orientation is called a polarization mismatch. It reduces the effectiveness of the RF link. And while the orientation of the receiver antennas to the transmitter antennas clearly changes in flight, your setup is optimized for the model flying either straight up or straight down, not horizontally. Would I expect this polarization mismatch alone to cause the very poor reception you're seeing on 2.4GHz? No, I wouldn't. That said I have encountered several cases where poor antenna placement and orientation have caused complete loss of link in specific orientations of model to transmitter.
  • And that last point brings us to the 900MHz antenna placement in the model. It too is more or less vertically polarized, whereas its counterpart in the X20S is again horizontally polarized. The fact that there's only one 900MHz antenna in the model and in the transmitter makes this situation more problematic. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this situation is the cause of the intermittent poor reception you've seen on 900MHz. For models with a single 900MHz antenna, best practice is to orient it -- and the 900MHz transmitter antenna -- vertically. On RCGroups, in the X20 thread, there's a fellow called JohnWilliamson who is an extreme advocate for using a vertically polarized external 900MHz antenna with the X20. That advice seems sound to me. However, I don't find myself in agreement with everything he advocates, or with the tenor of some posts.
  • The 2.4GHz antennas in the model are enclosed in black 'straws'. Many materials including some plastics can degrade 2.4GHz reception. Black materials can be especially problematic if the colour results from carbon. Are your straws a big problem? My guess is probably not. Lots of pilots enclose receiver antennas in various materials without noticeable impact. Personally, I always expose at least the active end of a receiver antenna.

One other thing to look into is range testing. More specifically, a range test of the model in only one orientation is of limited benefit. It's better to walk a slow circle around the model at about 30m distance. That approach can reveal specific orientations in which reception is weak. With one single-antenna 900MHz setup I tested, I encountered several orientations in which reception was lost entirely. Even better than a 'walkaround' range test would be a one that accounts for all possible orientations of the model in the three dimensions. However, that's not easy to accomplish.

Apologies for the very long post.

P.S. The log graph I posted was made with EdgeTX Companion. That program is designed for use with the EdgeTX operating system, but as you saw, it can also be used to analyze logs from EthOS. It's waaaaay easier than using a speadsheet.
 
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I assume you also have a video system onboard and power wires running out to the motors. All of this can take a tokl on RF noise around the plane. For example we have seen the video systems have a poor antenna crimp that will make a lot of noise.

Some simple things to try with a ground range test.
Turn extra systems on and off. This includes motors and video systems. Make sure the video system is outputting at a higher power level (if it is a adjusting unit) as higher power usually causes more issues.
Change the orientation of the transmitter and the model to help identify any orientation/polarization concerns.

And last but not least, see if you can borrow or install a different receiver. It is not unheard of to have a poor receiver, but with FrSky, doesn't happen often.
 
Have you had the back of the radio off? The reason I ask is that I've read that some pilots who've opened their X20 have inadvertently dislodged one or more of the internal antenna connectors. That situation would definitely have an adverse effect on RF performance.

Otherwise, the photo of the antenna arrangement in your model raises some other points in my mind:
  • The 2.4GHz antennas in the model are oriented more or less vertically. Unless I'm mistaken, both 2.4GHz antennas in the X20S are oriented horizontally. Such a difference in antenna orientation is called a polarization mismatch. It reduces the effectiveness of the RF link. And while the orientation of the receiver antennas to the transmitter antennas clearly changes in flight, your setup is optimized for the model flying either straight up or straight down, not horizontally. Would I expect this polarization mismatch alone to cause the very poor reception you're seeing on 2.4GHz? No, I wouldn't. That said I have encountered several cases where poor antenna placement and orientation have caused complete loss of link in specific orientations of model to transmitter.
  • And that last point brings us to the 900MHz antenna placement in the model. It too is more or less vertically polarized, whereas its counterpart in the X20S is again horizontally polarized. The fact that there's only one 900MHz antenna in the model and in the transmitter makes this situation more problematic. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this situation is the cause of the intermittent poor reception you've seen on 900MHz. For models with a single 900MHz antenna, best practice is to orient it -- and the 900MHz transmitter antenna -- vertically. On RCGroups, in the X20 thread, there's a fellow called JohnWilliamson who is an extreme advocate for using a vertically polarized external 900MHz antenna with the X20. That advice seems sound to me. However, I don't find myself in agreement with everything he advocates, or with the tenor of some posts.
  • The 2.4GHz antennas in the model are enclosed in black 'straws'. Many materials including some plastics can degrade 2.4GHz reception. Black materials can be especially problematic if the colour results from carbon. Are your straws a big problem? My guess is probably not. Lots of pilots enclose receiver antennas in various materials without noticeable impact. Personally, I always expose at least the active end of a receiver antenna.

One other thing to look into is range testing. More specifically, a range test of the model in only one orientation is of limited benefit. It's better to walk a slow circle around the model at about 30m distance. That approach can reveal specific orientations in which reception is weak. With one single-antenna 900MHz setup I tested, I encountered several orientations in which reception was lost entirely. Even better than a 'walkaround' range test would be a one that accounts for all possible orientations of the model in the three dimensions. However, that's not easy to accomplish.

Apologies for the very long post.

P.S. The log graph I posted was made with EdgeTX Companion. That program is designed for use with the EdgeTX operating system, but as you saw, it can also be used to analyze logs from EthOS. It's waaaaay easier than using a speadsheet.
Thank you for the detailed info I will make some changes to antenna placement and see if I can improve the reception. Yes the Tx has been opened, I will re-open and ensure the Ipex connectors are secure.
Black straws are sold as antenna guides but I do not see any details on the material used, I will trim them back to expose the active element and change the placement.
I have had the X20S since shortly after release and have consistently had 2.4GHz signal issues with several Rx, mostly VFR warnings but I have had a couple of total signal loss instances where the 900MHz saved the day.
I might have to order a set of external antennas and see if that improves reception any.
Now off to get a copy of EdgeTX Companion!
 
I have had the X20S since shortly after release and have consistently had 2.4GHz signal issues with several Rx, mostly VFR warnings but I have had a couple of total signal loss instances where the 900MHz saved the day.

That puts a slightly different complexion on things.

Do you have any models that don't suffer from problematic 2.4GHz reception with that transmitter?

If yes, it might be helpful to consider the possible issues common to all the affected models. I suppose there could be common problems with antenna placement or orientation, albeit that seems an unlikely culprit given how little range you're getting. If all the affected models are FPV, it would definitely be worth looking at the items Wayne mentioned above.
 
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The log provided was without FPV gear installed as the previous flight ended in a crash that destroyed the nose the FPV gear mounts in.
Not all models have the drastically reduced range but I don't think I have any that don't 2.4GHz issues. The worst ones are FPV equipped and due to size getting away from motors, ESCs and other sources of interference is a bit tricky. Larger models are running SR or TDSR receivers and have less issues with range but I still get 2.4 VFR warnings on occasion with those.
 
Would external antennas for my X20S be worth trying? If so which ones most of what I am finding are listed as "module" antennas.
 
Before thinking about that, let me ask you this: Where are you flying? For example, is it an unobstructed field in the countryside? Or is an urban location such as a city park?
 
I have flown in both but mostly in the boonies, location doesn't seem to have much effect but I don't have logs from both environments to compare.


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And what did you see when you opened the transmitter? Were all the antenna connectors in place?

I'm just trying to tease out any info that might help us here. :)
 
All internal connections are still glued/cemented in place from the factory. I modified the antenna arrangement on the model, not pretty but it will work for testing tomorrow.
The 900MHz antenna is tricky to mount vertically where it isn't likely to get scrapped off on a model with no gear,

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The new 2.4GHz antenna arrangement on the model seems like an improvement to me. Keep in mind that a vertical 900MHz antenna on the model requires a vertical antenna on the transmitter for optimal performance in typical flying. And since the 900MHz antenna in your transmitter is in the horizontal plastic handle, that isn't going to happen without an external antenna.

There are a number of possible options for an external 900MHz antenna. I'd go for an omnidirectional antenna, not a directional one with higher gain. With the latter, you need to keep the antenna aimed more or less at the model, which can be tricky if you're flying FPV at near range. Aloft offers one made by FrSky, the Super 8. Another option is provided by VAS. RadioMaster offers a dual-band option, which JohnWilliamson seems to swear by. I haven't tried that one, but I have been impressed by the external 2.4GHz T-type external antenna supplied with RM ELRS modules. I'm not sure if that one can be purchased separately. Doubtless there are other possibilities from other suppliers. Whichever you choose -- if in fact you go that route -- make sure it suits the jack on your transmitter. That jack might be SMA or RP-SMA. I'm not sure. If you choose the wrong type, there may be tears. Right now, I'd say you tuck all this away for future reference. Hopefully we can improve the 2.4GHz RF link.


I've included some pics of how I prefer to orient 2.4GHz antennas in my models, many of which are fully CF. This is an approach I've settled on after heaps of testing and a fair number of reception problems, some of which were caused by poor RF conditions at my flying sites.

I'd be very happy to check out any log files you post. Logging a walkaround range test with the new antenna configuration in your test model seems like a good starting point to me.
 

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This mornings results were only slightly better with modified Rx Antenna placement. The 900MHx antenna was moved to a horizontal orientation until I get an external antenna for My Tx.
I placed the model on a wooden run up stand about 40 inches high and walked out to around 100 feet and armed which is my record trigger. I then made a 360 around the model attempting to maintain the same distance, this was done with internal and external antennas for the 2.4GHz. Next I took a short flight and kept the distance to 200 yards or less, only had one time where the model didn't seem to respond to stick input but only got a couple of RSSI low call outs.
Switched to 2 different models one with an Archer SR8 Pro the other with a SR10 Pro both of which performed much better at distance than the R4, starting to think the R4 is going to be retired.
 

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I was never brave enough to put 2.4GHz in my carbon gliders they still have 72MHz receivers and interesting antenna placement.
 
That's great you posted those logs, Gizmo.

I'll take a look as soon as possible and report back. The way things are looking, that might take me until tomorrow.

It's interesting that you're using 72MHz. I had actually toyed with doing the same at one recent point. It's a whole other topic we might get into at some point. Right now, I'm perplexed by the trouble you're having with 2.4GHz on your X20S. Over on RCGroups, I see there's been a trickle of reports of poor reception with the X20 series transmitters. That said, keep in mind that I've only been 'auditing' that thread for curiosity's sake, not making a concerted effort to understand all the reports and resolutions. In any case, I believe you said you're running the latest firmware on your equipment.

Will pop back in here asap.
 
That's great you posted those logs, Gizmo.

I'll take a look as soon as possible and report back. The way things are looking, that might take me until tomorrow.

It's interesting that you're using 72MHz. I had actually toyed with doing the same at one recent point. It's a whole other topic we might get into at some point. Right now, I'm perplexed by the trouble you're having with 2.4GHz on your X20S. Over on RCGroups, I see there's been a trickle of reports of poor reception with the X20 series transmitters. That said, keep in mind that I've only been 'auditing' that thread for curiosity's sake, not making a concerted effort to understand all the reports and resolutions. In any case, I believe you said you're running the latest firmware on your equipment.

Will pop back in here asap.
Has there been any mention of which TX antenna Gizmo6 is using. Internal or external, could he be using the external antenna without one being plugged in. ?
 
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