Aeroic now/2022

[Wayne]

Id say the plane does feel a bit like a Stormbird or Forza, but a little more on the wild side. The Forza is my favorite of all the Hammond planes I have flown, it hits that perfect sweet spot for me, but think all of his current designs are top notch. I really enjoy the very wide range of performance each of his planes offer. Fast or slow they are happy to do what the pilots requests of them.

 

[Doc James Hammond]

Woohoo...Sebastian Franken has some nice things to say about the Alpenbrise...must have done something right the day I put pen to paper on that design.

https://www.facebook.com/sebastian....410882105&notif_t=tagged_with_story&ref=notif

 

[Raymond Gaskins]

Woohoo...Sebastian Franken has some nice things to say about the Alpenbrise...must have done something right the day I put pen to paper on that design.

https://www.facebook.com/sebastian....410882105&notif_t=tagged_with_story&ref=notif

Sure looking forward to getting mine! Wayne still has not received his invoice for the ones you are sending to him in my latest communication with him. Any idea when he might receive them?
Raymond Gaskins

 

[Doc James Hammond]

Sure looking forward to getting mine! Wayne still has not received his invoice for the ones you are sending to him in my latest communication with him. Any idea when he might receive them?
Raymond Gaskins

Almost ready to go Raymomd. Just waiting for some other models on the same order to be done.

Cheers,

Doc.

 

[Doc J]

Hi Guys,
I got some CAD pictures of the Redshift Spada - which will just be called "SPADA" from this point onwards.

This is a bottom-loading 3m model and wil be available as S and SS versions.

Please remember that the CAD drawings are full-dimension here and not in proportion other than the front and plan views. That makes the V-Tail look a bit big in these pictures, but its not.

Cheers,

Doc.

 

[Doc J]

This is another Zhou RGMCN ripoff. This rubbish is using my wings and tails on a dummy fuselage that some dishonest person has designed for him. I wonder who it was.

Really, guys - I ask you, who would stoop so low as to work with a known thief?

I really hate parasites who steal my work.

Disgusted.

Doc

 

[purview]

This is another Zhou RGMCN ripoff. This rubbish is using my wings and tails on a dummy fuselage that some dishonest person has designed for him. I wonder who it was.

Really, guys - I ask you, who would stoop so low as to work with a known thief?

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Disgusted.

Doc

...and zhou uses the internet to promote his factory output. DAAaMNNNnn



I really like the Spada, will watch the ongoing process of this model. Which distributer I've to be in contact with to get such a plane here in europe? My first aeroic plane (Stormbird 2M) a got from t9hobbysports, R. Bago was very pleased to sell these ships.

 

[Doc J]

...and zhou uses the internet to promote his factory output. DAAaMNNNnn



I really like the Spada, will watch the ongoing process of this model. Which distributer I've to be in contact with to get such a plane here in europe? My first aeroic plane (Stormbird 2M) a got from t9hobbysports, R. Bago was very pleased to sell these ships.

Hi,
it will be available (I guess - I didn't talk to them yet) from CRG, my delaer in Germany at least.

Cheers,

Doc.

 

[Konrad]

Hi Guys,
I got some CAD pictures of the Redshift Spada - which will just be called "SPADA" from this point onwards.

This is a bottom-loading 3m model and wil be available as S and SS versions.

Please remember that the CAD drawings are full-dimension here and not in proportion other than the front and plan views. That makes the V-Tail look a bit big in these pictures, but its not.

Cheers,

Doc.
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Fat bottom girls make the F3F world go round!

I’ve never understood why the too small v-tail ever became fashionable. They offer very poor control. It is these small bummed V-tails that give V-tail their bad reputation!

Now I have to admit I love the big tail of the B747. While the MD 80’s tail leaves me cold. I admit with RC aircraft I prefer directional control over spiral stability.

 

[Konrad]

Now to the “Dragonfly” I got a say I like the look of that tail and short nose!! But with Zhou that is the killer!! The poor resin control I’ve had to deal with on other Zhou builds would indicate that this fuse is going to need a lot of nose weight! Compound this with the short nose and this 3 meter ship looks like it would best be relegated to wall art.

And last why use a top feed canopy design? That looks so retro (20th century)

 

[Hill Hobbit]

They were going for the semi scale look with the canopy. It is obvious really. It’s not intended (or marketed) as an F3f racer.

 

[Hill Hobbit]

Take a look at Mibo’s Spark. F3f wings on a scale like fuselage with a huge conventional moulded canopy. Shame it’s not blue tinted transparent polycarbonate. Beautiful model, but the boom just looks a bit thin at the rear for a T tailed sports model to me. I’d rather have an Alpi anyway!

 

[Konrad]

They were going for the semi scale look with the canopy. It is obvious really. It’s not intended (or marketed) as an F3f racer.

The primary tenet of engineering is FORM FOLLOW FUNCTION! Here I see an ultimate failure or basic mis-understanding of what is needed.

That hatch looks like no full size canopy I've ever seen. If one is wanting to emulate a canopy have the guys paint on a larger more "Scale appropriate" facsimile. So Fail number one!

Good engineering allows or tries to make the assembly and maintenance of the system as easy as possible. Having to work in the confines of that small opening is showing the designer's utter contempt for his customer. With the advent of the modern slip on nose there is no reason for a glider to not take advantage of the functionality and strength the slip on nose offers. The one exception to the slip on nose would be ships intended to use electrical assist with a nose mounted motor. So Failure two and three, ease of assembly and structural strength

None of these concern has anything to do with a F3F racer. Why bring this up? I still stand by my statement that the canopy hatch is best left in the last century, heck last millennium!

 

[Hill Hobbit]

The use of a slip-on nose sheath only works easily when the sheath is either parallel or even tapered from it’s fully ‘on’ position. Designs with big curves (usually under the nose) to get a scale like profile, do not lend themselves to the use of a slip-on nose.

 

[Konrad]

True scale with the often bulbous nose may not easily benefit from the slip on nose. But this one is not such a configuration.

 

[Doc J]

I think its an Alpina copy back, and a dummy copy front, the wings are from my Redshift while the tailplanes look like Corsa. The 'trianguloid' fuselage cross section comes from my Alpenbrise while the nose radius is too large even for FAI rules - unless its got a dummy spinner on the front too.

Whoever designed it was not very original.

The thing that bugs me is that someone is working with Zhou, on purpose specifically to enable him to try to fool people into thinking that its an entirely new model. - a target that has obviously failed.

Doc.

 

[Doc J]

The primary tenet of engineering is FORM FOLLOW FUNCTION! Here I see an ultimate failure or basic mis-understanding of what is needed.

That hatch looks like no full size canopy I've ever seen. If one is wanting to emulate a canopy have the guys paint on a larger more "Scale appropriate" facsimile. So Fail number one!

Good engineering allows or tries to make the assembly and maintenance of the system as easy as possible. Having to work in the confines of that small opening is showing the designer's utter contempt for his customer. With the advent of the modern slip on nose there is no reason for a glider to not take advantage of the functionality and strength the slip on nose offers. The one exception to the slip on nose would be ships intended to use electrical assist with a nose mounted motor. So Failure two and three, ease of assembly and structural strength

None of these concern has anything to do with a F3F racer. Why bring this up? I still stand by my statement that the canopy hatch is best left in the last century, heck last millennium!

The only problem there, Konrad, is that we really don't know the function. Its got F3f type wings mounted on what is quite obviously not an F3f Fuselage, and it sure as hell is not scale-like. I think whatever nose it had, canopy or slip-on type, it would still be an orphan.

To be honest, whoever designed it could have done a much better job, but in any case my Redshift wings are easy to spot.

I wasn't fooled for a second, and I don't suppose you guys were either.

Cheers,

Doc.

 

[Doc J]

Take a look at Mibo’s Spark. F3f wings on a scale like fuselage with a huge conventional moulded canopy. Shame it’s not blue tinted transparent polycarbonate. Beautiful model, but the boom just looks a bit thin at the rear for a T tailed sports model to me. I’d rather have an Alpi anyway!

Actually that is well done, Jonty - a REAL scale-like fuse bonded on to older stayle but still very good F3 wings - nice! Much better than this poorly designed fob-off.

Cheers,

Doc.

 

[Konrad]

I think its an Alpina copy back, and a dummy copy front, the wings are from my Redshift while the tailplanes look like Corsa. The 'trianguloid' fuselage cross section comes from my Alpenbrise while the nose radius is too large even for FAI rules - unless its got a dummy spinner on the front too.

Whoever designed it was not very original.

The thing that bugs me is that someone is working with Zhou, on purpose specifically to enable him to try to fool people into thinking that its an entirely new model. - a target that has obviously failed.

Doc.

Well Doc, that "tranguloid" fuse goes back a lot further than your Alpenbrise. The Freestylers have this cross section and have had for a decade or two.

But yes I see your wing planform in the design. Having major manufacturing issues with all 5 of models I’ve received from this manufacturer*. I can tell you this project (or any others) from this OEM are still born.

I wonder what kind of support I would get for the delaminating LE, gloss bonding area on the control horns, soft control horn wire, dragging control snakes, voids in the lay up and puddling resin in the lay up from Zhou? Then there is the poor performance of the “Kevlar “ hinges. I know none! As he is hiding behind an ocean and a culture that does not respect individual property or intellectual property.

*You have been very good with the after sales support of the Aeroic brand products from this OEM. But you and I should not have had to deal with the many basic composite manufacturing errors that I as a typical modeler found.

Your contract issue aside**, I as the end customer, Zhou RGMCN are a do NOT purchase OEM. I had, who I think is the ghost designer get all up set with me for bringing these qualities and safety concerns up when I asked who the OEM was for his new line of models.

**This should be a warning to anyone working with Zhou. I think he on his third "British" designer. Does he appear to be a good partner because he speaks english? With his track record I wouldn't want to be associated with him in a business.

 

[2MUCH2DO]

I have to admit, I was also surprised to see a couple of the new planes coming from RGMCN. The designer has had good luck with others, sad to see the change, but maybe opens other doors for other designers.